51. The “Friday Rule” Every Parent Should Know

Your kid comes home and tells you another kid is mean, bossy, cruel, or making their life miserable. Your instinct? Step in and fix it.

But should you?

This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy and Justin tackle the world of Mean Girls—and whether parents are getting way too involved in their kids’ relationships. When should you call another parent? When should you intervene? And when does stepping in actually rob your child of the chance to develop resilience and learn how to navigate conflict?

Katy introduces the “Friday Rule”: before jumping into your kid’s drama, wait until Friday. Because the friendship crisis that feels catastrophic on Wednesday may be completely forgotten two days later—while the fight you start with another parent could last a whole lot longer. 

Plus: Do Mean Boys exist? Justin remembers an insult from fifth grade that somehow stuck with him for decades, Katy confesses her enduring love of gossip, and the conversation eventually takes a sharp turn into celebrity gossip. 

It’s parenting, bullying, resilience, gossip, and plenty of unsolicited advice on this week’s Wrong Way Forward.

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Welcome And The Roast Format

Speaker 0:01

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now, here's Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 0:11

Hi, everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. I'm Justin Joseph here with my college best friend Katy Montgomery. And uh on Wrong Way Forward, if you're just joining us, we like to take this week's best advice. At least that's what they're calling it. And we roast it saying why we think it's the wrong way forward. Um, it is advice no one has asked for, no one has solicited, but we're offering it anyway. So hi Katy, how are you? How

A Parent Asks About Mean Girls

Justin Joseph 0:34

was your week?

Katy Montgomery 0:34

It was good. It's good. Um I'm getting excited about an upcoming vacation. Um, but otherwise, things are good. But, you know, there was something that I read in the New York Times, and some of y'all might follow the ethicist. And I'm gonna really kind of abbreviate kind of his response, but it really struck a chord because we're gonna be talking about mean girls. And, you know, I've got, you know, a niece who just graduated from high school. I have some friends who have either high school age or kids that are kind of in that middle school age, but I even have some friends who have girls in elementary school who have had encounters with mean girls or a mean girl situation. Um, and so I thought this was really interesting, and I thought we could kind of break this down. And so someone writes into the ethicist and says, I'm the parent of a middle school girl, and for what it's worth, I also have professional experience working with children. My daughter, who is kind and makes friends easily, has been complaining daily about a girl in a friend group. She and her friends find this girl mean, bossy, and disrespectful. She makes unkind comments, talks about being better than other people, and becomes very defensive when her friends tell her that her behavior has hurt them. Whenever someone tries to talk to this girl about how they feel, she accuses the other person of being rude, mean, or spreading rumors about her. And so her daughter has started distancing herself along with her daughter's friends from this girl. And so the mother goes on to say, I know the girl's mother, and although we're not um close friends, we're part of the same small parent group. They've been to each other home home. They do have some familiarity. And she wants the mother of this um mean girl, actually, you know, had kind of confided in this woman and said, you know, kind of, you know, she might have some inappropriate behavior. And so her daughter, the person who writes in, is like, please do not talk about this mean girl with her mother. I am I am sharing with you because you're my parent, but please do not intervene. And she is asking whether or not she should say something to the mother of the mean girl, um, and and maybe even have kind of an intervention. And what I think is interesting is the ethicist, it's a very long um kind of response, is saying, you know, there's a fact that your daughter spoke to you in confidence. Um, it might be better to ask your daughter questions about this. There's also you're only hearing kind of one side. And I think my kind of bigger question here is is it the wrong way forward for this parent to get actively involved in her child's relationship, particularly when there's no violence, there's it doesn't sound like there's kind of any active bullying. And is it appropriate for her to go to the um other child's parent and say something? And the reason that I really wanted to kind of talk about this is because I know of so many parents who were actively getting involved in the evolution, the um disintegration of their children's relationships and actually talking to other parents. And I don't recall that at all happening. I remember the one time someone was kind of mean to me. And I remember sitting with my mother on her bed, which was very uncommon. We were not a very kind of snuggly kind of family. And I told her, and my mother literally looked at me and said, fuck them.

Justin Joseph 4:07

Love it. I think that's we could we can end the show right there. There's your there's our right way forward.

Speaker 2 4:12

There you go. She didn't intervene. She didn't, you know, she didn't break into any advice. She was basically like, you got bigger things in life, fuck them.

Katy Montgomery 4:21

So what is going on with parents now actively intervening and trying to be negotiators, but also how to advise someone else how to raise their child. Justin, is that the wrong way forward?

Justin Joseph 4:32

Well, firstly, what does the ethicist say? Let me let me start there. What does he does he what is their advice? But uh while you're looking that up, what I would say is I am not a parent, so I cannot imagine having my, I mean, I know how about my little dogs. So if someone bullied them, if one of their fellow dogs bullied them, I would be devastated. And I don't, you can imagine I would not be like, fuck them. I'd go out there and fuck them myself. Um, so I'm not a parent, so I don't understand how hard that would be, but I'm curious what the ethicist says first and then I mean the ethicist says a few things.

Katy Montgomery 5:02

It sounds as though this girl, the mean girl, he goes, Is that not just ordinary medical middle school behavior? So he's not saying this in response to the writer, but is basically saying, Are you overreacting a little bit? Right. Okay. So that's the first thing, right?

Justin Joseph 5:18

I hate that he calls himself the ethicist, by the way. I mean, we we make fun of ourselves for advice, and he's calling himself the ethicist.

Katy Montgomery 5:27

Well, Justin, um, first of all, that's not fair. I would need to read about his background. He might have a PhD in ethics for all we're doing.

Justin Joseph 5:35

But it does automatically give him some level of credibility that I don't know that he's earned.

Speaker 2 5:40

Which again, with absolutely no preparation and speaking in complete ignorance, okay, maybe yes.

Katy Montgomery 5:48

Then he goes on to say, okay, first of all, is that not normal behavior? Second of all, he says, you're only hearing one side of the story. So let's first admit that you're highly biased, right? And you're a mother. You're going to defend your child. It is natural, it is innate, and that's what's kind of happened.

Justin Joseph 6:06

Then he says Can I just stop the show real quick? Yes. Katy and I changed clothes in between when we do multiple episodes, and I bought this jacket last week, and it's like a heavy, heavy winter jacket. I'm sweating perfused. Because it's 900 degrees at Denver, and I'm trying to look like I'm wearing something different, and I'm literally pouring sweat. Okay, go ahead.

Speaker 4 6:26

Which I just as a side note, and my sister still makes fun of Justin.

Speaker 2 6:30

When Justin showed up in Tupelo, Mississippi for my father's funeral in the middle of June, he wore a corduroy blazer.

Speaker 4 6:38

And my sister was like, What kind of dumbass wears a corduroy blazer? First of all, in the summer in Mississippi. But there you go, Justin. I have to always make it.

Justin Joseph 6:48

Well, the reason I wore it is because it was a black jacket. And I felt like I funerals make me super uncomfortable. I don't ever go to them. I figured I needed to go to this one since I missed your mom's. And I'm like, don't I wear black? And it was the only black jacket I could wear with jeans. Anyway, but that's neither here nor here.

Katy Montgomery 7:03

Anyway, let me finish what the Etsa says. He's also said, so first of all, he says, is this not normal behavior? Number two, you're biased. You're only hearing one side of the story. Number three, he says, your daughter has said, um, you know, your daughter's very clearly articulated to you that she wants you to keep this confident. And so also says that. And then it says, you know, um, you know, basically saying, and it might be let best to just let this play out. You know, if the daughter keeps acting, if this is accurate and the mean girl is behaving this way, she might be alienated, alienated by her peers.

Justin Joseph 7:40

You could do, you could do more damage.

Katy Montgomery 7:42

Well, that, but if you if you don't intervene, this might be the lesson she needs to have. Like this is part of growing up, right? You, you know, you know, you fall and you you you know, you take a lesson from the failure. And so that's what he's saying. Um yeah.

Justin Joseph 7:57

So is it the right way forward? Here's what I would say again. We've done now almost 50 episodes of the show, and I would say two-thirds of them get chucked under the column of don't listen to us. We're talking about stuff we don't know about. And this would definitely fall into those columns. There, I would say one third of them we actually do know what we're talking about. This would definitely, because I'm not a parent. Having said that, this does sound like the right advice. And I think that the fact that this child has specifically said, do not intervene, is all you need to hear. The child does not want it, they're not asking for it. I think it's wonderful that they feel comfortable enough to tell their parent this so the parent is aware of it, but you will violate that trust if you get involved in that. And so um, I'm inclined to agree with Mr. Ethicist. Your thoughts.

The Friday Rule And Resilience

Katy Montgomery 8:43

Well, I think there's a few things. I yes, I agree with his advice generally. I think he's missing a few like really like aha moments and say, you know, first of all, parenting now is completely different than when we were parenting, right? Everything was hearsay. I mean, we wrote notes to each other, and I remember one time a teacher at the school where my mom actually taught found a note that I had written and I had used foul language in it. She reported it to my mom. But now everything has an endless paper trail that will last forever, right? I mean, anybody can find text, you know, nothing is deleted from the cloud. I mean, it always exists. So it's a lot more telling than when a kid tells a story and then they can show and demonstrate. So I think it's first of all, like check yourself and try to put yourself in the shoes. You're seeing things a lot more in black and white than you might have seen when you were parented, right? So, so understand that there's a lot going on. I think number two, and I I read about this one time and I thought it was brilliant. And it's particularly for parenting and parenting um young children, and it's something called the Friday rule. And the idea is implement the Friday rule. When you hear something on Wednesday, there's a very good likelihood that it has changed by Friday. Love it. Children are fickle, they change. It's you know, it's high drama, there's cycles, but the Friday rule doesn't apply to grown-ups, it does not apply to adults, right? Adults' memory stays, grudges are real.

Justin Joseph 10:20

And so sleep is lost.

Katy Montgomery 10:23

There you go. So give yourself, it's a great hesitation moment to say, is this, you know, kind of drama going to be over by Friday in middle school world? But if I say something to her mother, will that be over by Friday? And I think it's a really good kind of stop and breathe before you take action. I think he was missing a piece of that. I do like that he talks about um, you know, letting it kind of play out. I wish he had mentioned more about resilience and problem solving and why that's incredibly important while the pre-frontal cortex is being developed. Those are things that need to be um experienced over and over and over to really kind of use that muscle. And that's part of parenting, right? Is letting them figure out how to navigate that a little bit on their own. Um, and so, but I agree with him. Good. I would have liked a little bit more um kind of bring it home and some kind of um reality to it. But yes, agreed.

Justin Joseph 11:22

Let's talk more about the resilience part of this when we come back. Also, this episode, as you all know, if you are football fans like I am, uh, football is back on the air. Travis Kelsey is back on the field. And Katy and I have not had the chance to debrief the big trailer wedding, the Travis Kelsey Taylor Swift wedding. So we're gonna talk about that later in the show. But when we come back, we'll wrap up what we think is the best advice and the worst advice of the week. We'll be right back on Wrong Way Forward.

Katy Montgomery 11:46

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Justin Joseph 11:54

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Katy Montgomery 11:59

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Justin Joseph 12:09

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Speaker 12:10

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Mean Boys And The Intervention Line

Katy Montgomery 12:15

Back to Wrong Way Forward, and today we are talking about mean girls and whether or not it is appropriate for parents to get involved and for particularly for one parent to inform another parent of their child's perceived poor behavior. And you know, Justin, mean girls has become such a household term. There's a movie, there's a Broadway show, there is now a remake. I think it's it's playing on Disney or Hulu of, you know, a remake of kind of mean girls. You know, it's it's a very old kind of storyline, right? Is the mean girl, the mean girl. And my question is this is you're male, you grew up, you were a kid once. Do mean boys exist?

Justin Joseph 12:59

That's a very good question. Um, no, I I shouldn't say no, because again, I'm talking about things I don't know. I can talk about from my own perspective. Looking back over my high school years, I don't I I I guess now if there was something I did that was perceived as gay or feminine, I can remember moments where that where kids said something to me. And I think I've told I've told you this story. I don't think I've ever told it on the air, but I was in fifth grade, and um was it fifth or yes, fifth grade, and there was a girl who liked me, and I did not obviously like her, and at that point I was probably dealing with yeah, but for whatever reason I didn't like her, and she came up with Justine Josephine Faggot, faggot. And if you're not watching us on YouTube, basically it's one hand wrist crossed over the other and the gay wrist thing, and then you faggot, faggot like a flight. You have to look at it. That has stuck with me to this day.

Speaker 2 13:53

Well, isn't it interesting? It came from a girl, it didn't come from a boy.

Justin Joseph 13:57

Oh, you're right. That's that's I guess that defeats the point. More mean girl behavior. But um, those are the only times I can think of of when people were mean to me as if somebody, and I don't know whether she uh had some intuition in fifth grade that she sent something off me or she was just being mean. But I don't remember a lot of mean boy behavior, but I think you and I are not the right people to necessarily opine on this because I'm guessing we both ran in the popular circle.

Speaker 2 14:20

Well, I mean, yeah, it wouldn't have me, you know.

Justin Joseph 14:23

I did not expect a minute of silence from you.

Speaker 2 14:26

So maybe we need to get I think some of our listeners already think we might be fairly obnoxious.

Katy Montgomery 14:33

And I think I think I think you know, your definition of popular could could definitely, you know, vary. I mean, let's just say, you know, I wasn't homecoming queen. So but the I think the thing about it is is what it might think it's just an interesting comment. And this is why I would love, love for a parent or one of our friends who's a parent to kind of write in, and they can write us in at RonwayFord Podcast at gmail.com or catch us on our social media. Um, or Justin, what's our text line?

Justin Joseph 15:05

7202-514450s.

Katy Montgomery 15:08

But I would love to hear like what is the line of generally nasty behavior, you know, kids being kids, um, you know, kids who aren't fully developed, kids who are being triggered because you know they don't have the emotional, you know, kind of um growth to kind of handle things. What is the line when your alert goes up and you're like, okay, intervention, dangerous behavior, not just because I just remember somebody saying this. It's like, you gotta get hurt a little bit growing up. You gotta learn that life is not, you know, all roses and easy cheesy. Not everyone's gonna like you. You turn to, you know, it's a way to kind of build that muscle to kind of understand that your self-esteem and your importance does not rest on the judgment of others, right? Sure. So I don't, I my assumption is again, not being a parent, my assumption would be like nobody imagines or hopes that their child's life is absolutely perfect and roses and has no complications. Because if that, you are not raising a resilient, gritty child who can, you know, deal with adversity.

Justin Joseph 16:19

But it's the truth is you're probably raising a mean, a mean girl child. If your child's not coming home and saying I've been bullied, then your child's probably doing the bullying, is my guess. Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 16:28

So that's why I would love to hear from a parent. It's like, because that takes a lot of judgment and nuance and knowing your child is like, when do you when what is the tipping point? And how do you figure that out? Or is everybody just kind of like, you know, treading water and they're like, we're just we're just figuring it out as we go? I think that's a really interesting question. And I would love to hear that because that might be helpful for some of our listeners who have younger children and kind of like, you know, how do you kind of balance that and what are the factors that you're looking at?

Justin Joseph 17:01

Right. And I think that, you know, and as you know, we didn't have social media when we were young. I think that that has escalated and changed everything. But I think the other important advice is you don't become what you dislike. And I feel like that when a child is bullied, the tendency is to try and they develop a thick skin and armor. And at least this is what I did in those cases, is um you then tend to return fire. And that means gossiping behind their back. And that's also not the right way forward.

Katy Montgomery 17:29

And so it's it's not, but God, I was really good at gossip.

Justin Joseph 17:34

Still are. Well, we have nothing to gossip about anymore.

Katy Montgomery 17:38

Really, like if again, like we were talking about with um our friend from tips from dead people. It's like, you know, she loved and she hated in an obituary. I I might have to list gossip under love. So that would be really difficult for me.

Justin Joseph 17:51

Oh, 100%. And it's funny because as we all get older, we all gossip when we were younger, but as we all get older, our groups of friends are smaller and everybody stays home more, and there's just not as much good gossip.

Speaker 4 18:00

There's but oh yeah, go ahead.

Justin Joseph 18:03

I was at a pool party, my own, and somebody who I haven't seen in ages came to the pool party. And and it was just so funny to me because we were all just hanging out, and he said, So did you hear about and and this guy is a is a gossip. I haven't seen him in years, but of course I was like, What? And he told the gossip was that someone got scammed up like out of $150,000. And I'm like, that's the kind of gossip we're into now, is that we're losing our financial protections. And I'm like, I need who's doing who much more fun gossip than that. Yes, but it was fun to have someone say, Did you hear? Did you hear?

Katy Montgomery 18:37

It is, yes, and I think what's gonna be fun is we're gonna about to take a break, but we're gonna come back in our last block and we're gonna gossip. We're gonna gossip again. We have no right, we have no say and no expertise, but we are gonna gossip about because it is football season, we are gonna gossip about TNT's wedding when we come back.

Justin Joseph 18:58

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Katy Montgomery 19:11

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Speaker 19:30

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin.

Taylor Swift And Travis Kelce Gossip

Justin Joseph 19:34

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, where we are talking about mean girls. Um, this could be careful, this could still fall under that category because there are a lot of people that think that Taylor Swift can be occasionally a mean girl. Again, do not send me your hate mail, but here's my address if you want to. It is wrongwayforward at gmail, wrongwayforward podcast at gmail.com. But uh, we have talked about Taylor Swift before, and I have been dragged through social media um because I tend not to be the biggest Swifty, even though I recognize her talent. I've had fights with friends over this because they think I'm nuts. But she can be a mean girl. I mean, I I think the fact that she didn't invite Blake Lively to her wedding was mean.

Katy Montgomery 20:13

Well, I mean, it wasn't just Blake Lively. There were a handful of people she didn't um, you know, bring or excuse me.

Justin Joseph 20:19

And then she invited everybody under the sun.

Katy Montgomery 20:21

She invited everyone under the sun. So here's the thing. I want to first start with this. It is her wedding, it is her money, it is her life. She can do whatever she wants. And maybe she chose Madison Square Garden purely because of security. But my issue is this it's Fourth of July weekend, the amount of money spent on security, the traffic issues, um, the fact that it's like, you know, she put up, you know, like a huge banner, you know, just TNT married. I'm like, you could have afforded to go somewhere that was real, and again, I I do appreciate the $26 million in donations because it from what I've heard, it cost about $10 million for security. It was a $20 million. I heard it was $20 million, but then of course I've also heard that it's kind of funny that it cost $20 million and people are complaining about the food and the champagne ran out of it. Yeah, which some people denied, but I still just find it really, really interesting. They could have afforded, and the people who attended the wedding, and I I was always just shocked. I'm like, Hugh Grant. I mean, I agree. It was just to me, it just it, and I did, you know, there's so many sweet pieces. I heard they both gave a 20 minute vows. You know, I love that they had a phone ban. I think that that's lovely. But I'm just like, was this like if I don't invite X, I won't invite Y, and then I might get out of this social circle or I won't be included, or this is what's necessary based on both of our stardom and reach. And why? Was it not in a more kind of private place? Again, these are all of my judgments attaching to it. But yeah, I it just left a bad taste in my mouth. And I have friends who are just smitten with it and can't wait to see her dress. And I'm like, I have to tell you, I've never thought Taylor and I've never thought Travis had exquisite taste. And so, yeah, I want to see it because I'm interested. But I have never used Taylor Swift as a style icon. I would never put Taylor on a top 100 best dress list. And I would not put Travis on that. So again, for me, this is a taste thing. If you're if it's more about pop culture and it's fun, I get that. But from a taste thing, absolutely no.

Justin Joseph 22:46

I I completely 100% agree. I, you know, I wondered about the Madison Square Got it garden, and it and we talked about this several episodes ago or when it happened, about how tacky it was. Now, what I'm realizing now is apparently they have sold their rights to People Magazine, and that's why they wanted Madison Square Garden because they could keep it private. But you can do private weddings in other places. Celebrities have done that from the beginning of time and controlled access to it. But I am with you, the thousand people, and you know, there was an article, I think, in the New York Post the other day that said how was Taylor connected, who was Taylor connected to and who was she not connected to? It very much said that there were people that were invited just because of their celebrity status that she had no connection to. And that to me is so the wrong way forward. I mean, I had a wedding which you were at for 150 people, I would have cut that wedding by two-thirds had I had it to do over again.

Katy Montgomery 23:36

Get out of here. That's fascinating.

Justin Joseph 23:39

Yeah, because I would have just I looking back at that crowd, it was wonderful. I'm I talked to probably a third of those people, not at all anymore.

Katy Montgomery 23:48

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 23:49

And it's just looking back at how special that was, I it would have been so much more special had it been half the size. And so to have a thousand people and many of whom you don't know, and that kind of celebrity there, I think it just really would have taken away from how do you really tell your authentic vows in front of a thousand people, people you don't know?

Katy Montgomery 24:08

I just I I mean, and and I'm just interested. I mean, there are definitely real and genuine friendships and entertainment in Hollywood, but how can you be that closely connected? Like, do you have an intimate story? Do you have a common um you know experience with a thousand people? No, I have to tell you I'm not really that interested in the wedding. What I'm most interested in is this Jack Antonoff, I don't know if I'm saying his name correctly, writes a lot of music. Yeah, producer has written a lot of music with her. He is married to Andy McDowell's daughter, Margaret Qually. They just announced their separation yesterday. So he went to the wedding with his sister, did not go with Margaret. Also at the wedding was his ex, Lena Dunham, who is now married. So I and vile. Yes, you can't stand her, but I find her endlessly interesting. I am most interested. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall just to see what how Jack was acting, how Lena was acting. Did Lena know that Jack had was separated? Because supposedly the separation is not easy cheesy. I have read on people.com that Margaret has already removed all of her wedding pictures with Jack from her Instagram feed. Oh, interesting. So for me, you know, yeah, I'll see the Dior dress. I'm more interested in that dynamic happening at that wedding. But if you have a thousand-person wedding, there's a chance they didn't even see each other.

Justin Joseph 25:37

Yeah, 100%. And did you hear this? Is what I, you know, and I try and give Lena Dunham a pass because I I know she's a feminist and all that stuff. Stuff.

Speaker 4 25:46

Um, but so dismissive, so dismissive of people's rights.

Justin Joseph 25:51

Oh god, I'm gonna get hammered on this episode again. Uh no, I am totally in support of an of a feminist, but here's my she's just nasty. And did you hear the it back to Taylor at the rehearsal dinner? She gets up and makes a joke about football is nothing more than a bunch of gay men on an on the field having gay porn, something like that. And Taylor gave an awkward laugh, but I guess you could drop a pin in the room. Oh, I just doesn't, she doesn't know how to read a room, she's just so nasty. And girls was ugh.

Katy Montgomery 26:19

Oh, so I I loved girls, except I never wanted to see Lena Neked. But side note, I started listening to FameSick, her autobiography. And I got a third through, and I was wearing, by the way, they're fantastic, rootie on the loose pants. And I had these pants and I had it in my pocket, and it kind of the friction ended up returning the book back to the library. So I've only finished a third of it, and I'm like number 83 in line in the DC library. Everybody wants to read this book, and so it's taken me forever, and I'm too cheap to buy it and finish it. So I'm gonna wait till it comes. I have to tell you, she's endlessly fascinating, but she is someone who needs a lot of attention. And I think exactly, and I think any attention, even negative attention, is good for her. And that I think is interesting to explore and more interesting.

Justin Joseph 27:13

I know, but I'm so mad at you right now because you took my moment of joy about Travis and Taylor's wedding, and you've turned it into my anger about Lena Lena Dunham. I mean, only you can bring that out on me. And now we've just ruined a whole sea block.

Speaker 2 27:26

Well, well, Justin, let's just say in the future, you know, we will not be invited to any future rites of initiation for TNT based on what we've said here.

Katy Montgomery 27:36

No baptisms, no graduations. Um, our our invitation is definitely dead in the mail, along with um late, let's see, um, Blake Lively and Katy Perry.

Justin Joseph 27:48

All right. Well, I'm exhausted from this C block. Um, but this was fun.

Katy Montgomery 27:53

Yeah, it's

Final Thoughts And How To Reach Us

Katy Montgomery 27:54

great. We would love to hear from y'all. You you can find us on all of our social media, and we'd love to hear from you. So it's good to see you.

Justin Joseph 27:59

Thanks, everybody. We'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:09

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Justin Joseph 28:23

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward.