46. Parents Are Making This HUGE Mistake

🚁 Are we raising resilient kids... or just making life too easy?

This week on Wrong Way Forward, we tackle one of our most controversial topics yet:

👉 Should parents be their child's friend?
 👉 Is hustle disappearing?
 👉 Should you really tell your kids they can be anything?

We may not be parents—but we definitely have opinions. 😂

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Setting Up Our Parenting Hot Take

SPEAKER_00 0:00

She's Katie Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forwardy. Now here's Katie and Justin.

SPEAKER_03 0:11

Hi everyone, and welcome to another episode of Wrong Way 4. My name is Katie Montgomery, and I'm here with my best friend Justin Joseph. And as you all know, this is a podcast about roasting advice. And also Justin and I like to give advice. And today we're kind of getting into scary territory because we're going to talk about parenting.

Justin Joseph 0:32

Parenting, yeah. Something that neither of us have any business giving advice.

SPEAKER_03 0:36

And neither one of us are parents. So we might outrage the internet.

Justin Joseph 0:40

Um, but we can talk about how we were parented.

SPEAKER_03 0:43

We were parented, we can talk about we both have um nieces and nephews, we both have friends with kids, we could talk about what we've kind of observed as kind of good parenting. But what we're seeing as, you know, what is this new generation? I mean, we are generation X, which I'd like to think our generation, you know, we had to hustle, we took care of ourselves, we had a lot of freedom. There was not a lot of pampering, there was not a lot of helicopter parenting. And so we are coming with some experience, but we do know that we are not parents. But that being said, we're gonna tell you not a parent.

Justin Joseph 1:22

Which pretty much goes in line with this podcast things we're talking about that we have no business talking about. But we've seen a lot. We've seen good parents, we've seen bad parents. Um yeah, so I mean, we can certainly comment on that.

SPEAKER_03 1:35

Yes, definitely.

Fran Lebowitz On The Big Lie

SPEAKER_03 1:36

And I think, you know, what kind of started this discussion is we saw a clip from Fran Liebowitz, who's kind of talking about, you know, this kind of concept now where a lot of parents are telling children they can do everything. So, Justin, if you could play that clip, I think it'd be a good idea.

Justin Joseph 1:53

Yeah, do you want to step up who's Fran Liewitz? Tell everybody who Fran Lieblowitz is if they don't know.

SPEAKER_03 1:55

Fran Liebowitz is um humorous and essayist. You might have seen her on Law and Order sometimes. She does a gas cameo appearance as a judge. Um, but she's kind of got a dry, sarcastic, you know, kind of sense of humor and wit. And I also, if I am correct, Fran Liebowitz has no children. So she needs to. She also has um some thoughts on the topic.

Justin Joseph 2:19

All right, here we go.

SPEAKER_01 2:23

They just didn't. I mean, I'm gonna start over. People now like their children. They just didn't. I mean, my mother used to say to me all the time, I'm not your friend, I'm your mother. Like, as if I couldn't tell the difference. I could tell the difference because my friends like me. It was amazing to tell the difference. Now, people liked their children so much and tell their children all the time. And they tell their children all these lies. They tell their children, I can be whatever you want. That is a lie. Okay? It's not just a lie to this your particular child. This is true of almost no one. Yeah. Not just your particular child, all right? So, no, these kids in lots of ways are very disappointed, and that's one of the reasons they're disappointed. Because if you had parents and teachers telling you all the time, you can be whatever you want. Yeah. And then it turns out, well, you know, I know I'm only five foot two, but I wanted to be a professional basketball player. Too bad you can't be it. So, but no one ever told them that. All right. So um there, but they they ask me all the time, they're also much more organized.

Justin Joseph 3:28

All right. Well, you get the drift.

Parent Versus Friend Boundaries

Justin Joseph 3:30

I it's funny because um this I bet is going to be very divisive to a lot of people out there, especially to parents, because parents want to tell their kids you can do everything you want.

SPEAKER_03 3:39

I mean, do they? I mean, it's really interesting. One of the things that that Fran Lipwitz said is, I'm your, you know, her mother used to say to her, I'm your mother, not your friend. Right. We have a good friend from college who has five children, and she's all the time saying, I'm your mother, not your friend. And I think what's interesting is it is nice to have an open relationship with your children. They can tell you their fears, their insecurities, I think, particularly now with mental health, with how scary drugs have become. You know, and I mean you think you're taking a normal pill and it's bitten months, you know.

SPEAKER_01 4:11

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 4:11

I do think it's great a parent to have an open dialogue, but this kind of becoming friends is, you know, how many times have you told your best friend, you can't do that, right? You tend to, you know, we we pump our friends up. And so there it has is becoming, I think, a blurred line. And when you were parenting, you were trying to raise good humans. And so that means you give feedback, you punish poor behavior, you know, you push them to kind of deal with what life throws you. And when you're their friend, you know, it's sometimes you're just kind of handing out candy and you're making things easy. And I can very well tell you my mother wasn't my friend. And she wasn't my friend until I was a fully formed adult who had gotten through, you know, maybe the the pitfalls and the possible crossroads where I could have made a bad decision.

Justin Joseph 5:03

Sure.

SPEAKER_03 5:04

Um, but I mean, my mother very often told me I was terrible at things.

Justin Joseph 5:09

Well, we're talking about two different things. One is you I think we're talking about two different things. One is can you be your child's friend? And the other is can you t tell your child they can get it do anything they want? Are that aren't they two separate things?

SPEAKER_03 5:20

Well, but I think my I guess my point is I see the overlap because when you are someone's friend, very rarely are, you know, blunt and completely got it.

Justin Joseph 5:30

I got it. So there is some overlap there. Um I you know, I'm trying to think, I think my parents kind of gave us that. I don't think they ever said you can be and do anything you want, but I I guess I I think that they probably did do that.

unknown 5:44

Really?

Justin Joseph 5:44

Or maybe they support I mean, you know, I grew up, I had all sorts of outlandish dreams, and and I think they supported every single one of them, which I loved.

SPEAKER_03 5:52

Yes.

Justin Joseph 5:53

You know, now if I said I want to make a basketball player, they would have told me no. You know, my father was a was an all-star high school quarterback, probably would have gone under the professionals had he not broke his knee a senior year. Um so he was big in sports, he was a cheerleader. That was the world that they had envisioned for Jeff and me. And I remember they put me in baseball, and like I just really stuck to baseball. And you know, the thought of a ball flying from like airplane height into my face, it felt like that when you're when you're three foot five. Yeah. And I just could never, I would just run from it. In the middle of the game, I would just, I'd be right under it. They'd be like, you know, I think I'm not gonna do this. I would just so because I was so bad, rather than just taking me out of baseball, they kept demoting me by leagues. So by the time I was 11, I was playing in like a seven-year-old league, and I was an all-star then.

SPEAKER_03 6:43

So but I think the thing is telling people they can do anything they want. I think I think what Fran Ulwitz is saying is like that was like physically and statistically and and realistically impossible, right? Yeah. This is what people aren't doing, and I think this is what we're seeing and happen in a lot of corporations and companies and organizations where it's like homeless, you can do anything you want, when in all reality you really should be focusing on your strengths and what you do well. Right. And so I think the idea here is instead kind of focusing on where children are strong, but because they're such friends, they're letting them do anything. And and I think this is where we're gonna come back after the break, is they're giving them everything so they don't have to figure out anything for themselves. And so they can't figure out what they like, and they can't figure out the hustle. And here's the thing: what I find in coaching is if you really, really want something, we can talk about what's blocking you, we can talk about your fears, we can talk about, you know, kind of your lack of access. But at the end of the day, if you want something, you'll hustle. And I think parents today, I don't think kids have to hustle for anything anymore. And I think hustle can confirm what you really, really want.

Justin Joseph 8:01

Well, I think that's a good thing to take up on the other side. What made what makes a child be a hustler? Because not all child, you know, I you and I are very similar that way. We really go after what we want, but not all children are raised that way. And I don't know, I can't identify something that my parents did to or instilled in me that made me a hustler.

SPEAKER_03 8:20

Okay, well, let's talk about when we come back.

Justin Joseph 8:23

Back on the other side.

SPEAKER_03 8:24

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Justin Joseph 8:32

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SPEAKER_03 8:37

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SPEAKER_00 8:46

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin Podcast.

How Hustle Gets Built

Justin Joseph 8:53

So, welcome back to season three of Wrong Way Forward. Katie and I are um for the first time in a while back in the same space talking about um on topic, hot trends things that are going on. And this week we're talking about how do you raise a good child for two people who have no kids.

SPEAKER_03 9:09

Yeah, exactly, 100%. Well, and I think what what really kind of got us talking was is what I was seeing is kind of the lack of hustle. So when I was growing up, I I remember this. I had a friend who got five dollars for every A. And I remember going to my parents and I had a report card with straight A's, and I said, You owe me, you know, $35. And they were like, We don't, we don't pay for those. And then I was like, okay. I, you know, I remember going to the circus skate rink at Tupelo, Mississippi, and everybody's parents would give them like a five or a tenner. My mom made me pack lunch, and so it was constantly like trying to figure out how can I make money, how can I get money, how can I have access to do things because we didn't, I mean, they just didn't give it to me. And so the only money I had was allowance money, and I had to do something to receive that money. And you know, of course they would pay for me to be in Girl Scouts or dancing or to take school pictures, but anything that was considered anything of fun, I never got any money. And so I had to really hustle for that.

Justin Joseph 10:15

And that's how I mean I Do you think that's what made you a hustler, though? Just you were chasing money?

SPEAKER_03 10:20

Well, no, but I had to work for it. If I wanted it, I had to go out and problem solve and figure out how to do it.

Justin Joseph 10:26

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 10:26

And so I think, you know, I think it was that. And then I think I mean, I think I probably innately had some of that in me. And I'm also a firstborn child. There's a lot of characteristics that come with that. But I think what is so interesting today is I just see a lot of kids where it's like they order things on Amazon or they order things on DoorDash, or they've got an Uber Eats account, or you know, they, you know, they can throw things into the Lululemon, you know, cart and their parents might take two or three things out. And I'm like, are you kidding me? I had a $200 allowance for an entire semester to cover every outfit that I could that I could do.

Justin Joseph 11:04

In college or in high school?

SPEAKER_03 11:06

I mean, it started in high school because I was like, I couldn't, they wouldn't buy me anything, and I was like, we need to set up a clothing allowance. I live in Mississippi. I mean, like, I have to dress cute.

Justin Joseph 11:18

I just remember we would do our shopping at TJ Maxx. It was a big deal to get like a Ralph Lorentz from TJ Maxx, which was like, you know, had the label cut off.

SPEAKER_03 11:27

Well, I mean, my mom took us to a secondhand shop and we wore somebody's old Ralph Lauren sweaters that someone else had worn.

Justin Joseph 11:34

At what age?

SPEAKER_03 11:35

All I remember is my my sister's gonna kill me, but she wore one of them and she had she had a short haircut and she raised her hand and she had a um substitute teacher, and the woman said, Yes, little man. And it's probably because she was wearing a used boys polo sweater because my mom was too cheap to buy the the This is so interesting.

Justin Joseph 11:55

I mean, your father's a physician.

SPEAKER_03 11:57

Yeah, but I mean that's the thing is that you had to kind of like work for it and figure it out. I mean, Patrick became a hustler. I mean, Patrick would go down the street and play pool games with all the physicians.

Justin Joseph 12:09

Oh, literally a hustler.

SPEAKER_03 12:10

He literally became a hustler. Like he would go and he would say, you know, hey, doctor, blah, blah, blah, let's play a game of pool. Can you put some money on it? And that's that's how we come back with cash.

Justin Joseph 12:21

Very interesting. Yeah, we were the same way. Like, we were required to mow lawns, which I hated mowing lawns. We had to go out and basically mow lawns every summer. And we, I mean, I had my first job at TJ Maxx at gosh, 16, and I did rise to being the cat, I was the cash off, so I got a set of keys, and then I was and then you were done. And then I was like, I'm just gonna be a manager of TJ Maxx the rest of my life. This is fantastic.

SPEAKER_03 12:44

But I think what's interesting is I just see parents handing money, kids are getting what they want, and even, you know, I think my siblings are great parents. Um, but you know, it is crazy observing young kids and seeing the fads, right?

Justin Joseph 13:01

And it's like And the fads are expensive.

SPEAKER_03 13:03

Fads are expensive, like Pokemon um cards or neat o squish toys or this or that. Like I remember, we've talked about this. I wanted a there was a Rubik's Cube, I finally got a Rubik's Cube, and then I wanted a Rubik's snake.

Justin Joseph 13:17

We have not talked about this, but go on.

SPEAKER_03 13:19

I wanted a Rubik's snake, and my mom said, if you don't wet the bed for a week, I'll buy you a Rubik's snake. It was all It was always, and I couldn't do it, Justin.

Justin Joseph 13:27

You just stayed up all day.

SPEAKER_03 13:28

I tried to hustle, but I could not, I could not meet this challenge. But for my growing up, it was always like if you want something, you gotta do something. If you want something, you gotta work for it. It was never just a handout.

Justin Joseph 13:40

And do you think that that that's how it is, just how it should be? If you want something, you do something.

SPEAKER_03 13:44

I mean, I don't know, and again, I feel bad saying this because I had a roof over my head, they paid for my education, I did extracurriculars.

Justin Joseph 13:50

It's not like, you know, right, you didn't go without in the tr in the true sense.

SPEAKER_03 13:55

But I just see now, and it's really interesting, kind of the neighborhood my sister lives in is absolutely gorgeous. I think it's probably one of the most beautiful neighborhoods in America that I've seen. And I'm always like, how the hell does a 30-year-old who's married with a toddler afford to live in this neighborhood? Now, mind you, I'm gonna be able to do that.

Justin Joseph 14:17

You mean your sister, there are people in the neighborhood who are 30 have kids and live in there?

SPEAKER_03 14:22

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 14:22

You've got it.

SPEAKER_03 14:22

And I mean, and I'm gonna be honest, my father helped me with a down payment, which was amazing, which allowed me to start, you know, being able to save and kind of accrue, you

Money Lessons And Starter Steps

SPEAKER_03 14:32

know, wealth. So again, I want to be completely transparent. And everybody's like, parents just buy their kids houses now. Yeah. And I'm like, I think there's something to be said about living in the group house, then living in your first apartment, then living in a starter home. You know, you don't go right up to living in the nicest neighborhood in Birmingham. Like, what is that saying?

Justin Joseph 14:52

Well, I I I don't think you can make draw uh just a generalization that that's never an okay situation. You know, um, you know, there are some kids that are high achievers, and if their parents have the wealth to buy them a home, and that's not and that's not gonna change who the child is, and it's just a part of the child's story, not the child's story, then I have no problem with that.

SPEAKER_03 15:13

Yeah, I think you're right, but I think it's understanding the concept of money. You know, how does a mortgage work? How does saving work? You know, how is it, you know, you you shouldn't buy a home more than a third of your monthly salary. I think it's understanding general kind of concepts of finance, I think, is important.

Justin Joseph 15:29

But there are some people who just have a different level of wealth.

SPEAKER_03 15:31

It is, but I don't know why. This is again, I don't have kids, but this kind of stops driving me crazy.

Justin Joseph 15:36

I'm like, you know, is it at all jealousy?

SPEAKER_03 15:40

I don't think it's jealousy at all. Because again, I you know, it I I think I live a a really kind of charmed life now. But and I think that's partly because of the gifts my parents were able to give me. I never I I was very, very fortunate, very grateful that I didn't come out with school debt.

unknown 15:56

First.

Justin Joseph 15:57

And do you think even though your parents gave you nothing, they gave me a lot. But then they were generous. Do you think you were appreciative?

SPEAKER_03 16:06

Yeah, and I think I have a much better sense of money. And um, and I think I have a better sense of what is required. And I think, you know, uh one of our best friends, you know, from college, Connie and I waitressed, you know, the summer after we graduated from college. And we were the most educated of the group of people waitressing and, you know, or waitering, you know, or or hosting. And I want to, you know, I want to say like that experience that summer, I think it really gave me an appreciation of people who are on their feet all day, who work for tips, who work in a service industry. And I'm like, are these kids today having those experiences to understand human nature? Like, this is not a great analogy, but they say people who are big readers are more empathetic because you get to know the characters of the story and you can drill down. And I'm just wondering, are we missing a whole group of educated rich kids who are missing maybe that piece of empathy, hustle, the concept of the dollar? I don't know, because I don't raise kids, but my guess would be yes.

Justin Joseph 17:14

And back to kind of bring it back full circle, the the question was can you tell your kids they can be everything? We also had a front ecology member, and her her mother just they she's thawned praise on her.

SPEAKER_03 17:23

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 17:24

And she was lovely, and that she went on to you know be a a great person, but it it there are just parents who do that.

SPEAKER_03 17:31

Yeah, and here's the thing. I mean, again, if you're all tough love, I mean, here's the thing. I think there's only so much in your control at the end of the day of being a parent. Right? And so tough love, that can go one of two ways. And I think overpraising can go one of two ways, right? You know, you can create a narcissist or you can create somebody who's got a really healthy self-confidence. I mean, I don't have great self-esteem in some air, some areas of my own. I would like to blame my parents for that.

Justin Joseph 18:03

I think that's a good place to end this block. On the other side of the break, we'll take up, um, we'll kind of do a recap of our start of season three, and then we'll wrap this up. We'll be back right after this with Wrong Way Forward. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

SPEAKER_03 18:24

Enjoying this dumpster fire? Like, subscribe, and check back every Thursday for new episodes. Want us to roast your favorite piece of nonsense? Email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward.

SPEAKER_00 18:43

Roasting the worst advice

Strengths Based Parenting And Curiosity

SPEAKER_00 18:45

ever.

SPEAKER_03 18:45

Welcome back to the Katie and Justin. Ever back. And you know, just to kind of wrap this up, like some takeaways, and I think we might disagree, Justin, so just also get some clarification is you know, kind of my takeaways is I don't think it's probably healthy to tell kids they can do anything. I think if a better strengths-based approach would be good, and kind of focusing on kind of honing in what makes people tick, what gets them in a sense of flow, what brings them joy and kind of growing and nurturing that. But also, maybe with parents today, is like, you know, what does the hustle mean and how is that created and what's important?

Justin Joseph 19:24

Yeah. I'm curious, do you ever see this uh come up in your coaching business? Like, do you ever like telling someone you're not gonna get that promotion? So just let it go.

SPEAKER_03 19:33

Well, I think what's really amazing now is is sometimes well, first of all, on coaching, you should never be that like the idea of the coaching process is you're empowering someone and you're partnering with them because they can come to those conclusions, which is should be parenting too, right? Correct. Um, but I think a lot of times, you know, it is trying to get people to be curious, right? And and now that I'm saying up that I'm kind of thinking about something when you do everything for a child, or you tell a child they can do anything, is that potentially quashing curiosity?

SPEAKER_00 20:07

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:08

And you know, what you do at coaching is is let's say it's about promotion. It's like, okay, go be curious. Are you gonna have some informational interviews? Can you take your resume and job description and throw it into AI and say what's the gap analysis? And really have But I'm let me tell you, on the flip side, I see this all the time. I'll have a man go come in and he might not meet qualification six, seven, twenty-two, and eighteen, and he'll be like, Yeah, I'm applied, I think I'm pretty good. And I'll have women come in and be like, I've never done, you know, section three, roadman new world, you know, two little a. I don't know if I should apply, right?

Justin Joseph 20:43

So it's it's a oh interesting thing. Because men can think men think they can do everything and women tend to doubt themselves, overly, you know, competent.

SPEAKER_03 20:52

Which how yeah, that's go on and and sometimes ridiculously so. And women sometimes have more imposter syndrome, and I think that's based on kind of the context and the world.

Justin Joseph 21:03

That's interesting.

SPEAKER_03 21:04

Um, but I think it with parents, it's like how to get them to but kind of be curious. And you know, I have a friend that I told her that my mom said this, and she goes, Hey D, I just raised y'all with benign neglect. And so the idea is it's you know, I wasn't actively curtailing what you were doing. I just took a step back. And so I don't know what the opposite of a helicopter parent is.

Justin Joseph 21:29

I think I would be such a helicopter parent. All my friends tell me I would be thank god and I'm child. You would be I would be the worst helicopter parent.

SPEAKER_03 21:36

Yeah, I I don't know. I think when you're it I'm really elitist after spending a lot of time with my nieces and nephews and watching them, it's like the days are long, but the years are short. I mean, it's crazy. I haven't seen them for like a month and like they're totally.

Justin Joseph 21:52

But when you're in speaking of which I'm helicoptering my dogs right now.

SPEAKER_03 21:55

What but when you're in the middle of it, it is it exhaust. And so I do think there is nice to have some distance when you are someone exhausted.

Listener Emails And Season Three

Justin Joseph 22:07

100%. Well, we had some viewer emails come in now that we're in our season three. Let's just talk about a few highlights. Then looking back, I blame you both for what happened with the after the bed wedding episode. My husband heard you say that many successful people went to bed at his children. He has now told this story to our neighbors, our children, his golf foresome, two complete strangers at Costco. At some point, more people know about his childhood bladder control issues than they know about my birthday. So that res probably will be when whenever and if ever you and I finish wrong way forward, that's probably going to be our biggest takeaway episode.

SPEAKER_03 22:39

You know, if you if you use WhatsApp, like when I lived abroad, that's how I primarily communicate with my friends in other countries. And the other day I got a WhatsApp news said I just listened to the bed budding episode. I was also a bed letter. So they just keep coming up.

Justin Joseph 22:54

There are so many of us. Here's the thing. After listening to all of season two, I finally figured out the formula for wrong way forward. Take a topic that sounds ridiculous, make me laugh, make me uncomfortable, convince me I'm part of the problem. Um, and then they talk about carrots, et cetera. So I think that's a that's probably our our story formula.

SPEAKER_03 23:12

Yeah, yeah, exactly. Um, what I'm really hoping is that we're gonna hear more from y'all and you know, kind of give us your ideas, even just scenarios of work, scenarios with your kids, with your partners, with your friends, uh things that are happening. We would love to get those. We can also keep it anonymous. I know that people don't really probably trust us in that. We both tend to not have very good filters or accounts. Um, but we'd love to hear from y'all on that's wrongwayforward podcast at gmail.com. You can also interact with us on all of our social media, which is TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn. And also, um, if you're inclined to do so, we would love to have a review from you. So you can drop us a review uh wherever you listen to our podcast or if you catch us on YouTube.

Justin Joseph 23:58

And most importantly, we always have our text line as well. You can text us as you're listening to the show and you're pulling over to stoplight and you just take a minute and tell us that was ridiculous. 720-251-4450. That's our text line, but we're always here to hear from you. Um, one of the things we're gonna try and do this year is have some more guests, and that includes we're calling it phone a friend, and so we'll have some friends on that we probably talked about on the podcast. Um, so yeah, we're gonna have a fun season.

Father’s Day Gratitude And Work Ethic

SPEAKER_03 24:22

And before we wrap up, I just want to I do want to end on a high note because next weekend's Father's Day.

Justin Joseph 24:27

Yes.

SPEAKER_03 24:27

And you know, and and I do, I adore my parents, you adore yours, and we've been kind of telling stories and tells out of school. Um, so what is the greatest gift your your father gave you?

Justin Joseph 24:38

For me personally, well, that's on the spot. I think probably my hustle. Yeah. My father, you know, he he worked, he went we he was gone when we woke up to go to school in the morning, and we saw him when he got home at 6, 7. He went in the back room, and him and my mom would have a debrief. There was no TV allowed, he'd come out and have dinner, and he was back to bed because he was just working all the time. And I think that that I would say that's the greatest gift hustle. And you know, we just moved him out of Colorado, he's now back in Florida, so um, yeah, it's it's different. It it feels like a different phase of life for sure.

SPEAKER_03 25:08

And I have to say mine's very similar. I think work ethic. I think just a fantastic work ethic. And if you show up the contract you make with your employer with the people you serve, you step up, you show up, and um, and you're fully crescent and and you go above and beyond, and that is ethically what is required, and that is uh you know, morally, you know, a requirement. I think I with that.

Justin Joseph 25:35

Love it. Well, happy Father's Day to all the fathers out there, and we'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward. Great. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

SPEAKER_03 25:47

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