40. Pride Without Punchlines

What does Pride mean in 2026? In this special Pride Month episode, Katy and Justin discuss allyship, identity, corporate virtue signaling, and a controversial HelloFresh campaign that left Justin asking whether Pride is being reduced to stereotypes. Along the way, they share personal stories about coming out, navigating today's political climate, and the importance of celebrating people for who they are. Plus, Justin tells the unforgettable story of the most surprising guest ever to attend his Pride pool party.

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Pride Kickoff And Allyship

Speaker 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now, here's Katy and Justin.

Speaker 2 0:11

Hi, everybody. Welcome to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, where we are celebrating gay pride.

Katy Montgomery 0:17

Amazing, Justin. And I think that this is a great topic. And I think it is the right way forward to celebrate pride and to be an ally. But we I think we want to talk about the wrong way forward. And I think there's quite a bit of that out there out there right now. So where should we start?

First Memories Of Pride

Speaker 2 0:34

Well, let's start it. What was your first memory? I mean, I think when I was coming out, I don't know that I knew what gay pride was. I'm sure once I came out to you, I probably put that in your face. Yes. Did you know what that was before me?

Katy Montgomery 0:46

So I don't know if you remember this, but when we were in college and I was student body president, you were student body vice president, we participated in the AIDS walk. Do you remember this? Yeah, I do, because we raised money. And we raised money and stuff. So I think that was my first kind of exposure of a collected group with a common objective kind of coming together. And it was kind of at that time, and I don't even know if this term applied in the mid-90s, but to the LGBTQ, I don't even think it was even Q or plus that community. But the concept of kind of pride and the pride flag and kind of what those things represented, and then starting to see corporate sponsors coming behind that. You know, I think kind of after the model of I always think kind of Susan B. Coman, like wear pink, pink Estate Lauder makes a special lipstick, you know, and seeing that come around pride and actually seeing that not just become a national thing in major cities, but internationally and seeing that kind of take off. So I remember kind of seeing the evolution of that. And again, I have not looked up the history, but it feels like when we were together and you were coming out, it wasn't kind of a common everyday thing. Like you didn't go into Target and see Pride merchandise.

Speaker 2 1:58

Well, I think what's interesting for me, having been, you know, out for whatever 20, 25 years, is to watch the sort of ebb and flow of it. It has gone through a period when we first um started Pride that it was it was not as um national as as it was. Then it went through a period where everyone was on board.

Katy Montgomery 2:16

Yes.

Speaker 2 2:16

I feel like we're now back in a period where it's not necessarily something that everybody's on board with because it can be divisive.

Backlash, Labels, And Feeling Unsafe

Katy Montgomery 2:23

Yeah. And I think I think you know this that, you know, my family has a place in Orange Beach, Alabama, and we've had some really great memories there. My my grandma, my father's mother, my grandmother grew up in Mobile, Alabama. Orange Beach is about a month away, excuse me, an hour away. We spent a lot of time there. And the last time I saw an LGBTQ flag on a pontoon boat, it stood for liquor, uh, let's see, LGBT, liquor, guns, booze, and titties. Oh, okay. And so that's kind of the evolution. Yes.

Speaker 2 2:54

Look, I have my own conflicts with this as a gay person. I, you know, and we've talked about this before on the show. When I came out, it was LGBT and now it's LGBTQ, and now it's LGBTQ plus. It is a big conglomerate of alphabets, and I've really had to kind of wrap my head around it because I identify as a gay person, but beyond that, I I don't. Yes. But they're still all part of my alphabet, if that makes sense. Yes. Um, but having said that, it's a constant struggle. I mean, like I said, I've gone through periods when I was coming out where I was marching into gay pride, my family threw a big fundraising event, and we we had a float in the gay pride parade. Now you I now I'm afraid to go down there and get shot.

Katy Montgomery 3:32

Which is which is heartbreaking.

Speaker 2 3:33

Yeah, it is. It's also age. We talk about this all the time. Stop the age. Are you crying over this?

Katy Montgomery 3:41

I'm allergic to bigots.

HelloFresh Turns Pride Into A Joke

Speaker 2 3:45

Um, well, the reason for this episode is I think it's um we both saw something in media recently, which as a gay person made me extremely uncomfortable.

Katy Montgomery 3:54

Yes.

Speaker 2 3:54

And going back to season one, it was extremely tacky. And I would be mortified for my mother or for any of us who are trying to rally allies around our defense to have seen this because it just does not serve the purpose of what it was intended to.

Katy Montgomery 4:08

Yeah, and I and I wonder if I agree with that. So if you could kind of share the background, this is um a company called HelloFresh. Some of you may know it, it is a food delivery company, right? You sign up to get three meals a week, it sends you a recipe and all the fixings, and you can kind of cook a gourmet meal at home for a you know minimum amount.

Speaker 2 4:29

Yeah, and Josh and I literally were subscribers to this until probably a month ago, and they messed up an order so badly. And they just in anger, they would not give me a full credit for it, so I fired them.

Katy Montgomery 4:39

Okay. Well, and I think based on what you've reacted to, you it was inevitable that you would have fired them anyway.

Speaker 2 4:45

No, we're gonna sue a news account of what HelloFresh did to um get involved in the parade. Their intentions were probably right, but their execution, in my opinion, was totally wrong.

Speaker 1 4:55

Here they're screwed and the times. And I'll read up the ID, I'll read it out to you. This is what it says. It says official statement. We know eating isn't always a top priority this month, but we respect that. But for those of you who are dot dot, we have an extensive lineup of high fiber recipes available to happy pride. So we'll stop there.

Speaker 2 5:24

I think I'll be in a better position to explain what that means than these two news anchors. Basically, they're saying, A, we know no one eats during pride, and I think that is a gross generalization. I mean, and if that's the case, it shouldn't be. But secondly, they're talking about prepping. Um, okay, now I'm uncomfortable, and I'd rather her take it up.

Katy Montgomery 5:42

Would you like me to help?

Speaker 2 5:44

Yes. Yes.

Katy Montgomery 5:44

So I think the idea for myself. So I think the idea is that usually when you eat a high fiber food that produces a bowel movement are collectively what we call number two. And if you would like to prep meaning douche for homosexual sex, you would like to clear the colon. Is that correct? Um, I'm very uncomfortable to I am more uncomfortable than you are, and I'm I thought I thought you were gonna say I did that well. I she thought it was very articulate.

Speaker 2 6:15

No women douche, isn't that a woman thing?

Katy Montgomery 6:17

No. First of all, I never have. Number two, my sister works in a school of public health, and there's actually a public health campaign against douching.

Speaker 2 6:26

Why do women not? We're gonna go off topic for this.

Katy Montgomery 6:29

I really want to die right now. It's so gross.

Speaker 2 6:32

But why do women do that?

Katy Montgomery 6:34

First of all, I don't know because I don't know anyone who does.

Speaker 2 6:37

But it was a women's things before it was it was a big thing in like the 70s.

Katy Montgomery 6:40

Remember, it was like Summer's Eve, and then there was like massive guild douche. The thing about it is I can tell you from my sister who works in a public health school, there's actually public health campaigns against douching because it is actively not healthy.

Speaker 2 6:54

But are you douching on the front or the back?

Katy Montgomery 6:56

The front, I think. I don't know. But you're you're clearly douching on the back.

Speaker 3 7:02

Well, not me personally.

Katy Montgomery 7:03

You don't have a front. Oh my gosh, I'm never gonna get a job ever again.

Speaker 2 7:12

Um I'm uncomfortable. I'm sweating.

Katy Montgomery 7:15

I know, I I'm really hot, and it's not this serf-side malt beverage I'm drinking.

Speaker 2 7:21

Okay. Um, yes.

Katy Montgomery 7:22

So, but you found this highly offensive.

Speaker 2 7:25

I found it highly uncomfortable.

Katy Montgomery 7:28

But no, not just what we talked about.

Speaker 2 7:30

Because gay pride needs if it's not, it needs to be about so much more than homosexual gay sex.

Katy Montgomery 7:36

I agree. But here is my I I'm gonna argue just a little bit against this. HelloFresh knew that they were doing something that was that would appear on podcasts. Yes, and that it's on it it's on the edge, it's kind of pushing the envelope. I cannot imagine that they did not ask a gay person. And to be completely honest, we have not done our due diligence. I wouldn't be surprised if a gay person didn't actually come up with this ad campaign. And it's getting a lot of conversation.

Speaker 2 8:02

It's gross.

Katy Montgomery 8:03

It well, it's it's a little, you know, below the belt. It's going into bathroom humor, it is making assumptions. And I do think your best argument is that pride is not just about gay people, it is about celebrating differences and honoring those people and making sure they have their comfortable within their space and have the allies. But I can tell you this of ever all of my friends, my gay male friends are the most, they are the most hysterical, and also they will just break it down and throw it out there.

Speaker 2 8:38

The gay sex part of it?

Katy Montgomery 8:40

Just I not even gay sex, but you know, top, bottom girlfriend, blah, blah, blah, this, this, and that. So I could see how someone might say this campaign might resonate with that group.

Speaker 2 8:53

But I it it may. I just think, is this our highest common denominator? I mean, like, this is of all the campaigns you can to support pride, I'm just I I guess I'm deeply offended because it just, it just takes everyone's mind to to gay sex, and that is not what being gay is about.

Katy Montgomery 9:11

Correct. And I I I I could not agree with that more. But why don't we talk about what HelloFresh? HelloFresh doubled down on this campaign.

Speaker 2 9:18

They did.

Katy Montgomery 9:19

So, in addition to saying that, what else did they come up with?

Speaker 2 9:22

They said, well, let's let's let the news anchor uh take it from there.

Katy Montgomery 9:25

And let's make sure to put the microphone there to explain it to our audience.

Speaker 1 9:30

If you get it, you can put two and two together about the sort of undertones of or what it's you're putting for, basically. Like you're eating a lot of fibrous foods. Yeah, it comes with the patch on the name that says news code bottoms up for a pride month discount.

Speaker 2 9:47

Okay, that was the second part of the code of bottoms up. Again, it is just it is just taking us to the lowest common denominator of gay pride and gay sex.

Katy Montgomery 9:55

And I just Well, and I think it's very, you know, it's not including, you know, the bigger community because the joke is not even relevant to lesbians, correct?

Speaker 3 10:07

Uh uh yes. I yeah, I I think that's right.

Katy Montgomery 10:12

Yes. And so again, if we're talking about what pride is, it's not just gay men, you know, it's also lesbians and it's transgendered and it's queer. So it's actually only referring to a percentage of the larger community that is in it that is including in pride.

Speaker 2 10:31

I think that's absolutely right. But you know, I I just found it offensive.

Katy Montgomery 10:35

Yeah. Well, I mean, but here is the thing, right? And I guess the argument is this if it's offensive, but it's getting more and more discussion around pride, and people are becoming aware of it. And what I thought was really interesting is there are some of the comments, because they put this on social media. Yeah, and people lost their mind. And well, not everybody lost their mind. Some people are like, I'm buying my first HelloFresh box.

Speaker 2 11:02

And consider this my cancellation.

Katy Montgomery 11:05

Yeah, but I mean, it wasn't a hundred percent offensive. Some people found it to be clever, tongue in cheek. But what is the biggest, bigger, biggest objective here? At the end of the day, the objective is HelloFresh wants to be part of the conversation. HelloFresh wants to pull out blue apron, hello fresh wants to be all the other, and HelloFresh is now front and center. People know HelloFresh is a food delivery summer. That's their objective. But the secondary objective could be like, are we talking about pride? And is it becoming, and is that a bad thing? Is that the wrong way forward?

Speaker 2 11:39

I think that's the exact right way to set up the next block where I'll talk about when I was coming out. I don't think I was out, but I went to a therapist, and the the smartest thing that she said that has stated me to this day and how that applies here. We'll talk about it in a second when we go back.

Katy Montgomery 11:52

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Speaker 2 11:59

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Katy Montgomery 12:04

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Speaker 12:14

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Drag Queens, Visibility, And Real Support

Speaker 12:16

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Speaker 2 12:20

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward where we're covering gay pride. Firstly, happy pride to everyone who is out there celebrating. Uh, we want you to know we support you and are with you, whether we're with you in person or not. Um, I have been out for gosh, what is it, 25 years?

Katy Montgomery 12:36

I guess you said 25 years. It's way more than 25 years. You came out to me when I was studying for the bar exam.

Speaker 2 12:42

Okay.

Katy Montgomery 12:42

And I took the bar exam when I was 25, and you're 52. So it's been closer to 27. But before that's coming out to me, you would come out with maybe some other people.

Speaker 2 12:51

But I remember early on when I was starting having really significant stomach pains, and I didn't know what it was. And I started going to therapists, and I went to a million doctors that could not figure out what it was. These pains would wake me up at night, I'd see hallucinations, and they thought it was psychosomatic. So I started going to therapists, and I came out to the therapist, and I'll never forget, she was this black woman, and I said, Why do we need drag queens marching in the parade? Why do we need this? And she said, Justin, because if everyone looked like you, there would be no movement. And that has stuck with me to this day, makes more fun. And so, um, so I do try and support the differences that are out there because we can't all be Justin's marching in a parade, everybody bored to tears. Um, but having said that, I mean, to take it back to this, I still think there needs to be a reverence for what the movement is. And it is a movement about um a community that needs support.

Katy Montgomery 13:43

Yes. Well, I don't I don't think it's just it, I I I do think it's that. I also think it is a celebration of where the movement has come thus far. I mean and how it's gone backwards. Well, and how it's gone backwards. But I mean, like, I I remember thinking, you know, and gay people have been around as long as the world has existed, right? But now you can legally get married in all 50 states. It's now legal in Australia, it's legal in other places. And so I think it's a celebration of people, allyship, being a maligned group, but also where it has come thus far. And it it is being under it is under attack. And what I think is so interesting is I love those memes that are like, you know, we ban books, you know, and we go after drag queens, but how many people have ever, you know, pulled a gun and and you know, in in um in a school? Sure. Right? Or you know, we look at the January 6th insurrectionists and they're starting to find some of them have been caught as pedophiles.

Speaker 2 14:47

But this is but on that note, this is interesting because a lot of the big violent headline making attacks have been trance related.

Katy Montgomery 14:54

Yes. Again, and it's always been a horribly maligned and completely under attack.

Speaker 2 15:02

I know, but I will say this, and I we've our commitment when we got in this podcast is not to make it political, and I we uh we will abide by that.

Speaker 3 15:08

Yes.

Speaker 2 15:09

Having said that, the current environment, and I'm not blaming Trump, I'm blaming the current environment. I've never been more afraid to be a gay person in my own home.

Katy Montgomery 15:17

Yeah, which is horrible.

Speaker 2 15:19

It is, and there was a period when I came out, I was never afraid, and then I there was a period when I was proud of it. Yeah now I'm afraid.

Katy Montgomery 15:26

So when if you're talking to our viewers and our listeners, that's the wrong way forward, is to make people scared in their own home, right?

Speaker 2 15:39

Because I'm afraid.

Katy Montgomery 15:40

Yeah, and and and let's say of most people in your if you were just kind of say within that community, you're probably more privileged and and and have more access to And I'm lucky because I look like a straight dude. Yeah. So well my God I just did that for a laugh. You know that. But Justin, what is what is the right way forward for people who are new to this and coming to this? There's still kids who struggle with coming out. How can people what is the right forward to be an ally, to be support, to help people feel safe in their home, particularly in the current environment?

Speaker 2 16:17

Well, for firstly, it is not the HelloFresh route to bring it to the lowest common denominator of what gay is. Okay. I mean, if you really get down, that is the one thing that separates me as a gay person from someone as a straight person, is that I have a different kind of sex.

Speaker 3 16:30

Yes.

Speaker 2 16:31

And I I hate that my mind goes there, but that's ultimately what you know. I love a man.

Katy Montgomery 16:35

Yes.

Speaker 2 16:36

Um so I think we have to elevate the conversation. And if we're going to be supportive and celebrate gay pride, what are we really celebrating? We're celebrating the fact that there are people who are different than you are, and that I am, and our job in this world is to love everyone.

Katy Montgomery 16:53

I mean, a hundred percent.

Speaker 2 16:54

And wouldn't that be a better HelloFresh campaign? Like, do you love strawberries? Love everyone. I mean, I don't know, I'm coming up with something.

Katy Montgomery 17:00

No, but and I and I'm sure an ad, you know, ad man or somebody in marketing would be like, yes, it's lovely message. Does it pull the message forward, right? Fair. So I think what would be interesting is if you actually did focus groups. I I would hope that HelloFresh did a focus group on this. And I am hoping they did a focus group.

Speaker 2 17:25

But their message is divisive. It's divisive. I'm sickened by it.

Katy Montgomery 17:29

Yes.

Speaker 2 17:29

Obviously, the people who are against gay rights are sickened by it.

Katy Montgomery 17:33

Yes. But I think my point is that they could have said love everyone. But how could they have done something clever? Yeah, but that's that was not love everyone, right? Like they could have. Exactly. And I think that that that's the takeaway. How do we do this? And here's the thing: that takes time. That's not being lazy. That is moving beyond kind of decisiveness.

Speaker 2 17:53

What they did was lazy. Someone in a marketing room said, ha ha ha, look at this. People laughed and they went forward with it. It was fucking lazy.

Katy Montgomery 18:02

Yeah, and I think at the end of the day, and I think both of us agree, the wrong way forward, it rarely is the right way forward being lazy. It is the wrong way forward to be lazy and nonchalant and to only think of oneself. And I think particularly in this, we're at, I think, a precipice, a tipping point, a crossroads, whatever you may say, where things are starting to flip and people are like, we're not gonna stand for this anymore. Meaning what?

Speaker 2 18:29

Meaning what?

Katy Montgomery 18:29

Meaning the crudeness, the meanness, the attacking. I think that there has been, there is a saturation point in the world. And I think we're getting close to it. And it's gonna be interesting to see how this falls out.

Speaker 2 18:42

Because it's too ti it's too exhausting to hate everyone or to come out all the time. It's too tiring.

Speaker 3 18:47

Yes.

Speaker 2 18:48

And I again going back to HelloFresh, what they did did not raise the conversation, did not did not subtract from it being tiring. Because again, I as a gay person looked at that and thought, what the fuck?

Katy Montgomery 18:59

Yes. You know, what the fuck? Yeah, seriously.

unknown 19:03

Yes.

Speaker 2 19:03

I think wrong way forward, we agree. Um, yeah, it's interesting because it's just as far as you can get, something always brings you back.

Katy Montgomery 19:11

100%. Yep.

Speaker 2 19:12

We'll talk about more on the other side. We'll be right back on Wrong Way Forward with Pride Month. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides, boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 19:27

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Speaker 19:44

And now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice

Pride Pool Party Culture Shock

Speaker 19:48

ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin.

Speaker 2 19:50

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to season three of Wrong Way Four. This week we are celebrating gay pride and honestly, how much it has changed. I've been out for 20 plus years and I have been in parades, I've marched in the parades, I go to the parades, I haven't gone to the parades, but the point is the movement has changed. So I'll tell this story just what this will show my age, but it's a it's a funny story, just how much the world has changed. So uh Josh and I moved into our house, gosh, we've been here for three years, and we have a pool, which for those of you who live in Denver, that's not not everybody has pools. It's pretty rare to be in the city and have one. But we have a pool, and so we thought, well, we'll throw a pride party. Yeah, but of course, I'm 50. I, you know, I'm not rock hard like I used to be. So I'm like, I want to be comfortable in the pool with my rock hard body. Thank you. Um, but I want to be comfortable in the pool, so um, we're only gonna invite friends.

Katy Montgomery 20:38

Yes.

Speaker 2 20:38

So we had a lovely party of 2025.

Katy Montgomery 20:40

So you usually invite double strangers to a pool.

Speaker 2 20:42

Well, like that's a funny thing. There are gay, there are I have some very notable gays in our community who have pool parties where they go to the bars the days before and pick out the hot people and invite them over.

Katy Montgomery 20:52

Oh, I mean, that's the wrong way forward in my book and hosting a party. I don't want strangers in my house.

Speaker 2 20:57

Anyway, but that's not Josh and my vision of our pool party.

Katy Montgomery 21:00

Yes.

Speaker 2 21:00

So we told everyone we had 25 people of our close friends to come over and have a lovely pool party. So we did. And my friends who are listening to this will know the story, but I'll everybody else will be shocked by it. So about three-fourths of the day through the party, one of our groups of friends, our younger friends, who we are very close with, said, We have friends in town. We know this is a close party. Would you mind if he and his partner came over? Uh of course. Yes. So 10 minutes later, in comes Adonis and his younger, hot, 0% body fat boyfriend.

Katy Montgomery 21:33

Okay.

Speaker 2 21:33

So you might as well stop the music because everybody's like, whoa.

Katy Montgomery 21:36

Yeah.

Speaker 2 21:37

So they start swimming and everything. And about three minutes into it, I'm looking at his white speedo, and there's something in there. And I don't know what it is, but I'm like, it if you can imagine a white speedo over the well, you know, I'm not a speedo kind of girl, so I'm already grossed out.

Katy Montgomery 21:52

Well, like, let's get some trunks.

Speaker 2 21:54

But speedoes now, everyone's wearing I would not wear it, but the kid has speedo on him and no body fat, but he has something if you're not watching this on YouTube. If you just clasp your fingers together, like uh 10 on 10 fingers together, how would you describe this?

Katy Montgomery 22:08

I mean, I'm just thinking, see all the church, open it up, see all the people. Like at a hand game. I don't know, like a blockade?

Speaker 2 22:15

Like a blockade, but it was inside his his 30, 28 inch ways speedo. So it was something was packed in there. So everyone was talking about it. Yes. Well, it's my party, so I swam up. And I'm like, um, what's in your paint-ups? And um he had no shame in saying it's a dick cage.

Katy Montgomery 22:35

Why was he wearing a dick cage?

Speaker 2 22:37

Do you know what that is?

Katy Montgomery 22:38

I mean, I'm assuming it's a cage for your dick. Hence the name.

Speaker 2 22:42

Oh, I had never heard of one, and again, I have been a long time. I have seen it all.

Katy Montgomery 22:46

It sounds like what what do athletes wear?

Speaker 2 22:49

Not this.

Katy Montgomery 22:50

Okay.

Speaker 2 22:51

So a dick cage is a metal contraption that the dominant man has a key to that the subordinate kid cannot have an erection in. This is the word losing viewers off the right. Um, they cannot have an erection unless he unlocks it. This was so news to me.

Katy Montgomery 23:10

Yes.

Speaker 2 23:11

And I was terrified to act. So I'm like back.

Katy Montgomery 23:18

Like, extra flooring, extra clouding.

Speaker 2 23:21

So um, anyway, so that was the news to me. And um, so that's why we had a close we have a closed pride party that no longer are extras allowed to. But I want to take this moment to wrap up by saying we celebrate all types of dications.

Katy Montgomery 23:37

Well, and I and this is what I want to say that I think is really interesting.

Grace, Hypocrisy, And A Toast

Katy Montgomery 23:41

He had a pair of white speedos. If anything to be seen. But no, my point is if anything can show anything, that's a pair of white speedos. Yeah, you didn't care. But here's the thing: there are heterosexual church deacons, people across the world who are doing this shit behind closed doors and casting stones and throwing fingers, right? So I think what's interesting is part of that is celebrate who you are and don't hide in the shadows. And I think the hip being a hypocrite is probably carries more of a wrong way forward.

Speaker 2 24:17

And honestly, who was the hypocrite in that pool? It was me. I was mortified.

Katy Montgomery 24:20

Yes. I mean, that's I mean, that tracks.

Speaker 2 24:24

But I think it to wrap up this episode on gay pride, we both have cocktails.

Katy Montgomery 24:28

Yes.

Speaker 2 24:29

We are toasting to everyone who was ever different.

Katy Montgomery 24:31

Yes.

Speaker 2 24:32

Whoever felt different, not gay or not, but just everybody who felt different and is different, we celebrate.

Katy Montgomery 24:37

Yes. And the rainbow, particularly in the Bible, represents mercy and grace.

Speaker 2 24:42

Yeah.

Katy Montgomery 24:42

And so at this pride season, let's show grace to others who are not like us. We love that.

Speaker 2 24:47

And of all of you. Cheers. Cheers. Bye, everybody.

Katy Montgomery 24:50

Bye, everyone.

Speaker 2 24:51

All right. That's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 24:58

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Speaker 2 25:12

Thanks for listening to this week's episode of Broadway Ford.