26. The Awards Show Moment Everyone Is Arguing About. We are too.

This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy and Justin tackle one of the most uncomfortable moments of the awards season — the BAFTA incident involving a Tourette’s advocate whose involuntary outburst stunned the room during a live broadcast. The debate quickly becomes bigger than the moment itself: when something offensive happens involuntarily, do we judge the intent or the impact?

They break down what Tourette’s and coprolalia actually are, whether the event organizers handled the situation correctly, and why the on-stage apology may have made things worse. From live television failures to the complicated art of apologizing in public, the conversation explores how quickly things can spiral when a serious moment collides with a neurological condition.

Then the show pivots from controversy to culture, as Katy and Justin discuss the nostalgia-fueled obsession with Hulu’s Love Story about Carolyn Bessette and JFK Jr., and why everyone suddenly seems to be wearing berets again. Plus, they weigh in on Jack Schlossberg’s media antics and whether sometimes the real “wrong way forward” is simply grabbing the nearest camera.

As always, they wrap up with listener reactions, questionable opinions, and a reminder that bad advice is everywhere — and they’re here to roast it.

Listen to the full episode of Wrong Way Forward on YouTube or wherever you get your podcasts.

Transcript

Cold Open And Trip Recap

Speaker 1 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now here's Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 0:12

Hi, and welcome to Wrong Way Forward. My name is Katy Montgomery, and I am here with my best friend Justin Joseph. And we are talking about Wrong Way Forward. And Justin, first of all, I wanted to check in with you. I missed you last week. You were on a European vacation. How was it?

Justin Joseph 0:28

I was. You know, I've always said I was embarrassed to say I'd never been to London or Paris. And so we did both of those. And I used ChatGPT and booked a trip from top to bottom. And really put a lot of time into the guides and everything. And we really we enjoyed the hell out of it. I thought both London and Paris were amazing cities and the people were lovely. And um yeah, I can't speak highly enough about it, to be honest with you. We didn't have one bad experience.

Katy Montgomery 0:52

So that's amazing. Well, we were talking, the two of us, that like maybe we need to have a um European broadcast of Ronway Ford. So hopefully um we can book that in the future and broadcast from um across the pond.

Justin Joseph 1:06

I love that.

Setting Up The BAFTA Incident

Justin Joseph 1:07

And is I know you're gonna set us up here in a minute, but what I will say is we were over there in London on Tuesday night when um we noticed several high-end parties that were happening at hotels, and we were like, what's going on? And the BAFTA awards were playing. We were on the north side of the river, on just across the river, across the bridge, was the BAFTA Awards, which um Prince William and Kate were at, and that sets up what we're talking about this week.

Katy Montgomery 1:31

It is. So I think, Justin, um, what happened at the BAFTA Awards was just a case in wrong way forward times three. I think that this was just a chaotic disaster that could have been prevented. So, to give our um listeners a little bit of background, there's a man named John Davidson who has Tourette's, and he is a Tourette spokesperson, um, he's an advocate, and there is a movie that is based on his life called I Swear. And I'm gonna put my glasses on, and I had to use the phonetic spelling of this, but he has a type of Tourette's called Calprullah. I probably mispronounced that, but this is about 10 to 15% of the population with tour um with Tourette's that goes beyond um language and tics, but can go into using minority racial or ethnic slurs, discussing someone's genitals, Justin, you'd hate this, talking about excrement, talking about sexual acts. And so um John Davidson has, from what I understand, this type of Tourette's where he uses foul language, the F-word, um,

Explaining Tourette’s And Coprolalia

Katy Montgomery 2:46

and can yell out a potential ethnic slur. And before the bathroom, you mean the n-word?

Justin Joseph 2:52

The F word would apply to me.

Katy Montgomery 2:54

Yes. Well, I was going to get into the N word, uh, but he does he did yell out the F-word a few times.

Justin Joseph 2:59

The F word that belongs to that applies to me.

Katy Montgomery 3:02

Oh no, I'm talking about the F-word that's four letters, that you can put the word mother in front of it and ER behind. Fuck.

Justin Joseph 3:09

The word is fuck. Yes, got it. I was not talking about that F-word. The F-word in my world means a whole different Yes, it means like a bag of sticks. I think it rhymes with baggage of sticks.

Katy Montgomery 3:21

Justin. So anyway, Alan Cumming, who's one of your favorites, he's the host of Traitors, um, gave kind of a um little speech at the beginning and said, someone is in the audience who has Tourette's and has an involuntary tick and cannot control, and you might hear language that might be offensive.

Justin Joseph 3:42

Oh, he did say that. I didn't know that.

Katy Montgomery 3:44

He did. He gave a warning. Um, and and usually what happens with this type of Tourette's is that it comes out not just as a comment, it comes out as like a very loud comment. That's part of the neurological tick, is that it's it's you can hear it across an auditorium. And then unfortunately, um, you know, Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo, who were both from the movie centers, which, if you've not seen it, is a fantastic movie. They're presenting the first though.

Justin Joseph 4:12

I watched the BAFT in London. I thought it was bizarro.

Katy Montgomery 4:15

Anyway, the dance scene in it I thought was so clever and so interesting. It just kept my attention the entire time.

Justin Joseph 4:22

Okay.

Katy Montgomery 4:23

But they're presenting the very first BAFTA of the night.

Justin Joseph 4:27

And so the people who don't know what BAFTA is, that's the Brit British version of the Oscars.

Katy Montgomery 4:31

Correct. And it's part of the kind of awards um season. It's like, you know, there's the SAG awards, there's the Golden Globes, there's the BAFTAs, and so we start to get a sense of who might take that Oscar home. And so everybody's, you know, paying attention.

The Onstage Slur And Diverging Views

Katy Montgomery 4:45

And it's being aired. So it is being filmed and aired. And John Davidson yells out rather loudly the N-word while the two men are on stage.

Justin Joseph 4:56

Now, here's where Katy and I diverge. Um, we are gonna play you a portion of what happened. Obviously, it has been bleeped out because we're not going to broadcast or publicize that word that they use. Um, Katy is uncomfortable with playing it. I am not because the clip we're playing is actually from NBC News. And so um, I think the question is what what's why are we playing, why are we talking about this today, Katy?

Katy Montgomery 5:18

Well, I think we're talking about this today because I have really been struggling with this. Is that was it the wrong way forward for John Davidson to attend this event?

Justin Joseph 5:29

Okay. I think that's a good setup. So we're gonna play you the portion of the BAFTA words, and you're gonna hear Michael B. Jordan, who was the other actor who presented?

Katy Montgomery 5:36

Delroy Linda, who's also in centers.

Justin Joseph 5:39

And this is them giving me an award, you will, and then it is bleeped when this person with Tourette's yells out the inappropriate word. So we'll play that and we'll talk about it on the other side.

Speaker 1 5:53

Uh delighted to be presenting the first bath of the night for a vital part of movie making.

Justin Joseph 6:02

So that was that's basically what it was. The two actors came up, they said they're presenting an award, and then this person yells out the inappropriate

Should He Have Attended At All

Justin Joseph 6:08

word.

Katy Montgomery 6:08

Right. And and I have to say, I was having a conversation this morning with someone, and I think there's a continuum of foul language or or inappropriate language, you know, at the kind of innocent end could be the words like hell damn, it progresses to shit. You know, then you can get into kind of F bombs and versions of that. And I would be so, you know, I would go ahead and say that I think the N-word is a universally offensive word that is not tolerated, um, nor allowed. And I think most people would say on the scale, it is kind of the most offensive of words.

Justin Joseph 6:48

100%. And I don't think there's anybody who disagree with that.

Katy Montgomery 6:51

Right. And so I think the we've got a multiple pieces involved in that this because first of all, do you think it was the wrong way forward for John Davidson, who has a condition, he has a disease, and he did give kind of a comment that said, you know, I this was not intent intended. This is a neurological tick. But these two, you know, African-American men had to stand there and and hold themselves with composure when they're hearing this incredibly offensive word. Do you think it was the wrong way forward for John Davidson to accept the invitation and attend the event?

Justin Joseph 7:29

Well, I guess I need to know more about him. Now, I like you also Google this condition because the first thing I thought is why does uh someone with Tourette's always go to the most offensive thing that could possibly be said? And I was curious about that. And that's when I found the same word that you talked about, the C word that I can't remember, colloquial or whatever it was.

Katy Montgomery 7:46

Yeah, make sure you when you say C word and we're talking about foul language.

Justin Joseph 7:51

It it is whatever the specific condition is that applies to 10 to 15 percent of people with Tourette's, where they they immediately go to if they saw me, they would say the F word. If they saw someone black, they may see the N-word. So that I guess it's a condition that applies to 10 to 15% of people. So I guess my thought is I don't know John Davidson, I don't know anything about him, but if if I were whomever is taking care of him or handling him, even if in terms of whether it's his PR team, obviously he was nominated for a movie, is that right?

Katy Montgomery 8:18

No, the someone was nominated for a movie that was based on his life.

Justin Joseph 8:22

Based on his life, okay. Yes. So whoever is in charge of that movie, obviously they have a strong PR team that comes with the territory. And so if this person has a history of doing that, I do not think it was the right way forward for him to be there. You know, if this was a one-off, and again, I don't know anything about Tourette's, if it was a one-off, then I don't think, you know, that I think that there is not an exc it's it I think it is excusable if this is a one-off, even though what he said obviously is totally inexcusable. What do you think?

Katy Montgomery 8:50

I mean, I think this is the thing that I'm really struggling with. I I think I agree with you, and I think the reason is that I'm thinking about it this way. This was people who have gotten to the pinnacle of their career, they have worked their entire life. This is a good indicator of a golden globe, this is a good indicator of um an Academy Award. A lot of people say that sometimes the SAG awards and the BAFTA awards mean even more because it's voted, you know, not by

Intent, Impact, And Public Moments

Katy Montgomery 9:20

the, you know, general industry, but it's really voted by your fellow actors. And I just wonder if it should get to a decision point for him to say this is their night. And unfortunately, I do have a condition that I cannot control, and I should be able to participate widely in events, but I can't control this, and I don't want to put someone in a very public and compromising situation on a night when they're celebrating their craft and getting an award. Because what happened is his condition, and it does bring, I think, some um attention and some knowledge and discussion around his at his um condition, which is important and probably what he's doing as an advocate. But it really hijacked what happened that night in the celebration of a craft. And so again, I don't have this condition, and so I don't feel like it's fair for me to say this, but I think I might have foregone the invitation.

Justin Joseph 10:20

Yeah. And I think it brings up the question of what's the intent here. If you're in a situation that is supposed to be serious and there's a disruption and it's involuntary, um, you know, don't we look at the intent to decide whether or not that that is an excusable event? And I know I've been there.

Katy Montgomery 10:38

Yeah, I mean, and I'm really fascinated to know on the back end if when the PR group or when, you know, John Davidson himself spoke and said, Look, we're gonna have a cautionary kind of comment um before the um filming begins. I wonder if he was completely honest and said, you know, I'll drop some F-bombs, which he did very early in the show before he dropped um this terrible N-word. But I wonder if he was completely um up front and said, Look, there's a very good chance that I might use an ethnic slur or a racial slur. I think that, again, we're playing a whole nother ball game.

Justin Joseph 11:16

I agree. And it'd be interesting because he's done no press after this, right? We don't, we have not heard no one's interviewed him and said, tell us it's actually could be a very good learning moment if handled appropriately by the right people.

Katy Montgomery 11:27

And he did give a statement afterwards. I think after he he said the N-word, I think he did excuse himself from the event and he later said, I apologize for how this landed. It had no intention in it. But again, very uncomfortable. And I think what we should do now, Justin, is take a break and come back to how the wrong way forward continued after this word was dropped on behalf of the BBC and potentially Alan Cumming.

Justin Joseph 11:56

All right, we'll be back right after this.

Katy Montgomery 11:58

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The Apology Problem On Live TV

Katy Montgomery 12:03

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Justin Joseph 12:05

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Katy Montgomery 12:10

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Speaker 1 12:20

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 12:26

Hi, everybody. Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, where we are taking on the BAFTA words and the completely inappropriate and very questionable decision to allow someone with Tourette's and a specific kind of Tourette's who yelled out an inappropriate word during the broadcast. Um, the broadcast was carried live and the word was actually said on the on open air. And so we're talking about a number of things that went wrong and uh what was the right way and wrong way for it. And so when we left to break, we were talking about um you know, it can you be excused for being inappropriate during a very serious moment? And it's happened to all of us, and I think I'm the king of it. What came to my mind, Katy, is if you remember, you you came to visit me. This was gosh, 10 years ago, and we went to one of my aunt's parties, and my uncle, who has who had advanced Alzheimer's, came up to you. He did, and and he acted like he had known you for years and just starts immediately jumping into you about like, how have you been? Tell me about this, and I could see your face, the blood right on your face, because I was trying to keep it together and not.

Katy Montgomery 13:28

You are, and you did, but here's I want to say, Justin, and was it 10 years ago? It was like 25 years ago. Like 10 years ago, I could have handled myself better, but I think I was. My eyes got really big and I didn't understand what go was going on. I had never engaged with someone who had Alzheimer's or displayed.

Justin Joseph 13:46

Or there was the time and that we um I had made a new friend and he happened to be touring in town as a singer. He was on he was at the local Broadway, or he was at the Christmas show. I don't know why you were in town, but

Broadcast Failures And Re-Air Missteps

Justin Joseph 14:00

you remember he came over to my parents' house and he decided he wanted to do a solo.

Katy Montgomery 14:06

Yes.

Justin Joseph 14:07

And you it was he was singing a solo of it for about 30 people, and you and I were just trying not to laugh.

Katy Montgomery 14:15

I think I looked at you and I said, think about dead people.

Justin Joseph 14:20

Yes. Not that that's close, but it is being inappropriate during a serious time, and that's really what we are talking about today.

Katy Montgomery 14:26

Oh, but I think that's I have to I have to give John Davidson um a break here. We could control our behavior. He has a neurological tick. He can't, he has absolutely no control over what's happening. We were just assholes.

Justin Joseph 14:43

Shocking. Okay. So um, so that was not a good example, but I it does make me feel the same way. It was inappropriate at the time, and that's what we're talking about this week. So then host Alan Cummings, who as you said I adore, um, got the fun task of going up and apologizing for this. So we're gonna play this, what he said, and then we'll talk about it on the other side. Here's what he said coming back.

Speaker 15:03

You may have heard some strong and offensive language tonight. It's Bathroward's host Alan Cummings. This is a bit an hour and 20 minutes into the ceremony after several outbursts were heard throughout the show. If you have seen the film, I swear you will know that film is about the experience of a person with Tibet syndrome.

Justin Joseph 15:18

So that's what Alan Cumming came back and said on the other side. Your thoughts on that? I mean, impossible position to be in.

Katy Montgomery 15:25

I actually wrote down what he said, which is he has no control over his language. We apologize if you are offended. I think that is a non-apology. You know, we apologize if you are offended. I think I would have hoped that he spoke with more forceful language and said, you know, the language spoken is incredibly offensive. We know you were offended, and we do not tolerate that language. However, this was involuntary and was not with an intent because this person has Tourette syndrome. And so I think a lot of people are having a problem with the apology because it was a non-apology, and to say if you were offended, it wasn't forceful enough to say because in my world, that is a that is a word that is never spoken.

Justin Joseph 16:18

Right, right, 100%.

Pivot To Coaching And Agency

Justin Joseph 16:20

Um, yeah, and you know, that's actually a good topic that could be the future is the the way you apologize, right? There is a right way and a wrong way to apologize, and I think very few people have mastered that art. Um, but I agree with you. The apology could have been much stronger. And it I wonder what if it was on teleprompter, I'd love to know all of those facts. Like, did the producers write that for him? Did he write it himself? Um anyway, and he has come out and has been and with an he had came he came out with other statements on his Instagram afterwards, etc. But what was also shocking to me is the fact that that, you know, these people live in the space where they that someone in the back room has a their finger on the on the bleep button.

unknown 16:57

Right.

Justin Joseph 16:57

And they get 15 seconds and they did not decide to bleep the word. But meanwhile, someone says an inappropriate joke about anything and it gets bleeped. And so to me, it was um also the wrong way forward that the broadcast didn't handle this correctly.

Katy Montgomery 17:12

Well, and I think what's crazier than that is from what I understand, is that this piece was out on iPlayer and they didn't bleep it for what was then being played after the Baptist completed.

Justin Joseph 17:25

The rebroadcast.

Katy Montgomery 17:27

So, I mean, what kind of dumbasses were, you know, making the decisions that day? And so, and it leads to a lot of people to believe is this not offensive? Do we not take this serious? Is there still this kind of you know, racism that exists? And so it's again, it's like the wrong way forward that just keeps in triplicate. It's like it keeps coming.

Justin Joseph 17:48

I totally agree. I will say it does make me want to watch the movie. I want to know more about this. Like I said, this could be and should be a teaching moment.

Katy Montgomery 17:54

Well, Justin, I don't know if you're gonna be able to handle it because if he talks about excrement and you really hate bathroom stuff, you might not be able to.

Justin Joseph 18:02

Yeah, but I don't think yeah. Well, I'll let you know.

Katy Montgomery 18:05

You also might talk about genitals and sexual acts. You don't care about those two things either.

Justin Joseph 18:10

No, but it also like it reminds me when I saw vagina monologues and it was so uncomfortable. I was sweating, I was crying profusely, I was laughing profusely, I was so uncomfortable.

Katy Montgomery 18:20

You went, I did not know you went and saw that.

Justin Joseph 18:22

Oh, yeah. I mean, I and I literally thought it was the funniest thing ever, but I was just so deeply uncomfortable that I was sweating in places that I didn't always sweat. And um, I'm sure

Nostalgia And Hulu’s Love Story

Justin Joseph 18:32

that would that's how I would react to I swear the movie as well. So I'm sure definitely. All right. So um last week we had author John Rosenberg on. And um, Katy, what was your takeaways from that?

Katy Montgomery 18:43

Well, my takeaways is he's a fantastic coach, and he's really been he's got me thinking about when I am kind of in that survival protection mode, you know, how to get into that place where I'm aware, I'm inquiring, and I'm reframing. And so it's really stuck with me.

Justin Joseph 19:01

Yeah, I agree. And uh, viewers, uh, some viewers wrote in as well, and I think everybody, you know, what was funny is you and I went back and forth whether it was a good fit for um for the the the podcast in Ron Way Forward. And I after listening to him, I could not think of a better fit for so many of the things that we talk about. Do you agree?

Katy Montgomery 19:19

I could not agree more.

Justin Joseph 19:20

And some viewers wrote in and had the same thoughts. You um hi, wrong way forward. Your guest talked about how we trade thriving for success, and I feel personally um vindicated. I spent my entire 30s chasing promotions, money, and status, and I got all three. What I also got insomnia, acid reflex, and um a weird obsession with productivity podcasts. So anyway, I think it hit home on a lot of people who listen.

Katy Montgomery 19:42

It did. And I think what would be great is if we can get some more examples and hear from some other people and try to kind of you know break down so they can have this kind of skill set and awareness about bringing agency to their lives um to hopefully get them into that space where they can thrive.

Justin Joseph 19:58

Yeah, and agency, that to me, that that word is so frightening to me. I don't know why. I don't I I it's not that I don't like how he used it. Obviously, I think he's a brilliant guy, but um, I I think the word is intimidating.

Katy Montgomery 20:08

Oh, that's interesting. I I I I love the idea of this. Well, would you rather hear empowered empowerment?

Justin Joseph 20:15

Yeah, maybe. Yes, maybe. I don't know. I feel like the word is it makes me feel um power, less power, I guess. I don't know. So anyway, that was just a reaction to it.

Katy Montgomery 20:27

Yeah.

Justin Joseph 20:28

Um so anyway, but we will have him back again, don't you think?

Katy Montgomery 20:31

Yeah, no, I thought he was absolutely fantastic. Um, something that I want to talk about, Justin, when we come back, and it is the obsession in Washington, D.C., where I live.

Justin Joseph 20:41

Interesting.

Katy Montgomery 20:41

Everyone is talking about it. It is love story on Hulu, and it is about um the romance between um Carolyn Bassett and um JFK Jr. So when we come back, um, want to talk a little bit about that.

Justin Joseph 20:55

We'll be back after this. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder

Jack Schlossberg And Media Hunger

Justin Joseph 21:00

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Katy Montgomery 21:08

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Speaker 1 21:27

Roasting the worst advice ever.

Katy Montgomery 21:28

Welcome back to the Katy and Justin. Hi, and we're back, and we're gonna talk a little bit about um Love Story, which is about the romance between um Carolyn Bassett and JFK Jr. And Justin and I were talking about this. I had um listening to the book that it's based on and loved it, and everyone I know is talking about it, and it's kind of crazy, Justin, because they um passed away in an airplane in 1999. So we were very young. I mean, we I was just graduating from law school. A lot of my friends, you know, were just graduating from college. And I don't think we really knew about their kind of lives and their romance. And it's actually really fun to watch it because it brings in a lot of nostalgia. I mean, it brings in what New York City was like then, music that we listened to, you know, what were the clothes. And I am loving it. And I think that it portrays them as real people who loved each other, who struggled with being in, you know, it just kind of royalty at being in the public eye all the time and being chased by paparazzi. But what I think is so funny is what a cultural phenomenon it's become. Like people are now seeing men wearing berets like JFK Jr. in New York. And, you know, people are seeing, you know, women bring back the Levi's and the white Oxford, you know, that Carolyn wore. And people are talking about how attractive the two stars are. And if I had a dollar for every time I've heard this, I'm like, they're even more attractive than the real Carolyn and JFK Jr.

Justin Joseph 23:08

Which is a high bar.

Katy Montgomery 23:10

High bar. And everybody is just obsessed with it, which I think is fascinating. And, you know, I guess, Justin, why do you think people are fascinated with it? Is it because they're our royalty, or is it because we're in the age group that this is bringing back a lighter time? This is bringing back when we had a really attractive couple that we could follow and be interested in.

Justin Joseph 23:31

Well, it's an interesting question. My immediate thought goes to, and because this is where my crazy head goes to, is there was something fascinating to me about the fact that they got in their private plane to fly to their private island or wherever the wherever the, you know, wherever the Kennedys live, someplace very exclusive. And they crashed in the ocean and died at the bottom of it. That to me is such a tragic ending to a um bigger than life story. And I think that really does, for me, bring a lot of intrigue to it. You know, it wasn't like they just got old, they died in a tragedy, like something Shakespeare would write.

Katy Montgomery 24:03

Yeah, and what's even more sad is that Carolyn's sister was on that plane. And so a parent lost not one but two children in the same day. Um, but I think what's more interesting and related to kind of what we talk about here is again the wrong way forward. And some of you may know um

Listener Feedback And Closing

Katy Montgomery 24:20

Jack Schlossberg. I think I'm pronouncing his last name correctly, but this is Caroline Kennedy, JFK Jr.'s sister's son.

Justin Joseph 24:28

JFK Jr.'s sister's son, yes. And she's lovely.

Katy Montgomery 24:31

She is lovely, but her son, if you give him a camera, he's jumping in front of it. I mean, this guy wants his 15 minutes of fame.

Justin Joseph 24:39

100%.

Katy Montgomery 24:40

Yeah, go ahead.

Justin Joseph 24:41

Go ahead. I was saying I had no idea who he was until I I think it was probably the last convention. And um one of the networks, he would, like you said, he could not find a camera that he wasn't in front of, and he was all over it, and I just thought he was very full of himself. I'd never heard of the guy, and now I think he's running for he's running for Congress, isn't he?

Katy Montgomery 25:02

He is running for office, and you know, and he's he's taken some positions that might be hard for the family, and you know, and I appreciate him standing up for values. But I think what's interesting is you know, he said, you know, that uh Ryan Murphy's interpretation, you know, Ryan Murphy is um the producer on this um love story, is that it is a grotesque display of someone's life and that it's pure fiction. Well, first of all, I did the math. Jack was born in 1993 in January. JFK and Carolyn Bassett died in I think June or July of 1999. This kid was five and a half years old when his uncle died. And I can tell you, I have a nephew who's about that age. If you spoke to him at age 33, I don't think George, you know, would be able to speak about my romantic life or lack thereof. And so, first of all, what do you know? And number two, it is first of all, it's just bringing more attention to it. So if you find it grotesque, keep it to yourself because grotesque, the first thing people are gonna want to do is go watch it to confirm that. And number three, everyone I talk to does not see it as um fantastical or grotesque or rude. They actually see it as real and really showing a true love relationship. And so I find his handling of this the wrong way forward, and he's ruining my viewing pleasure.

Justin Joseph 26:29

I find everything about him the wrong way forward. I really have found him objectionable for the minute, you know, they say TV, you can tell authenticity on TV in two seconds. And I the minute I saw him, I'm like, oh my god, this guy's gonna drive me nuts. And he has to this day, he's lived up to that. So I'm sure if Ryan Murphy would have just put him, even as a five-year-old child, in the move in the movie for two seconds, he would have been totally fine with it.

Katy Montgomery 26:51

Oh, 100%. I could not agree more.

Justin Joseph 26:53

You know, but on that note, Ryan Murphy, he I've liked some of his stuff, I've disliked some of his stuff. Um, it just depends. I he's all over the board for me.

Katy Montgomery 27:02

Yeah, and I mean, and you know, and he is very prolific. But what I love is that it's been a while since there was a TV show that everyone was talking about. I have a few friends who aren't big TV people, and I just love the excitement and people talking about it and people waiting for it the next week and talking about the fashion and talking about Calvin Klein and talking about the relationship and kind of taking me back to kind of the late 90s. And so um Jack needs to shut it, and um, and we would love to hear from our listeners what do you think about Jack's behavior and what do you think about love story? Um, you can drop us an email at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com or connect with us on any of our social media platforms.

Justin Joseph 27:49

And that includes texting us at 720-251-40450 again, 720-251-40450. We want to hear what you have to say. And um that's this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward.

Katy Montgomery 28:00

Awesome.

Justin Joseph 28:01

Thanks, everybody. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:09

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Justin Joseph 28:23

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