22. If You’re Asking, You’re Not the Favorite

What do bedwetting, summer camp humiliation, and parental favoritism have in common? Apparently… everything.

Justin and Katy read an unhinged listener email about peeing the bed at camp, unpack why former bedwetters develop elite crisis-management skills, and spiral into a deeply relatable conversation about shame, survival, and whether parents actually have favorite children (spoiler: research says yes).

Also discussed: Purdue studies, grandparents playing favorites, and why the Montgomery Grip may have ruined at least one listener’s life.
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Transcript

Bedwetting Confession And Summer Camp Chaos

Speaker 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Katy. Now, here's Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 0:11

Hey everybody, and welcome to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. I'm Justin Joseph. She's Katy Montgomery. This week we are talking about all things peeing. And by that I mean bedwetting. Our text line has exploded over this issue that we talked about several weeks ago. And actually, what was funny is our title of our show that week, Katy, was Doom Scrolling by Former Bedwed or by Confessional Bedwedders or something. And literally, that title went viral. We had more clicks on that on YouTube than anything.

Katy Montgomery 0:38

So anyways.

Justin Joseph 0:39

Yeah. And so this we've got a viewer email. You want to do you have that? You want me to read it?

Katy Montgomery 0:43

Why don't you go ahead and read it?

Justin Joseph 0:45

So we got a viewer email, and this one wanted to stay anonymous for obvious reasons because there's a lot of shame in bedweding.

Katy Montgomery 0:51

There is.

Justin Joseph 0:58

Something y'all have been talking about really hit me, bedwedding. I loved summer camp, but every year I arrived on one seat with one secret mission. Hide the fact that I peed the bed. Okay, who can relate to that? Other kids packed. We can talk about summer camp, dude. I have horrifying stories of summer camp. It's terrible. Other kids packed one set of sheets and confidence. I pack like FEMA was on the way. I packed like FEMA was on the way. Extra sheets and a plastic mattress cover so it's so loud it could have alerted wildlife. This is that she's actually a good writer. I always grabbed the top bunk in the back so that no one would accidentally sit under my wet bed. Spoiler, someone always found out. Oh, poor thing. One year I decided if I don't drink, I won't pee. So I dehydrated myself on purpose. Oh my goodness. Then Camp makes us play this tennis game where you can't stop until you win. And I was so bad at tennis. It's July, hot as hell. I'm dehydrated by choice and I'm straight up fainting in front of everyone. They drag me to the infirmary where I spend the night. And guess what? I wake up and I pissed that bed too. So now I'm just not the bed wedding kid. I'm the bed wedding kid with rage. I'll piss my bed and yours. Then I hear the nurse yell, tell my mom I must be de rehydrated because I wet the bed. My mom says, Lolly, yeah, that's normal for her.

Katy Montgomery 2:19

So the mom sells her down the river.

Justin Joseph 2:22

The nurse builds Trevor the beautiful excuse, and the mom sells her right down the winner. Camp taught some kids friendship and tennis. Camp taught me humiliation management. And I agree with Katy, bedwetters are elite crisis

From Shame To Skills: Crisis Management

Justin Joseph 2:35

managers because nothing makes you think faster than waking up with piss soaked, waking up piss soaked and your reputation on the line. Brilliant letter, and it hits home.

Katy Montgomery 2:46

It it really hits home. And I think it's a great lead-in to kind of what we're talking about and kind of is it the wrong way forward for parents to have favorites? And when I when I read this text, it made me think about I was the only bedwetter of four children. And it just felt like my mom was just exacerbated with me. It was disappointed. The disappointment. And, you know, and it led me to this kind of I had read this article in the New York Times is parents do have favorites. And I, and when she when I read this kind of text, and we're assuming it's from one of our mutual friends who is a female. We don't know. She has not admitted it yet. So we have attached a gender, which might not be correct.

Justin Joseph 3:28

Is that who we think it's from, our college friend?

Katy Montgomery 3:31

That's who we think, but I'll I'll confirm later. I'll do a little due diligence. But it led me to be like, you know, is this the kind of stuff that leads you either to become a parent's favorite because they feel like you need extra support, or does it lead

Do Parents Have Favorites

Katy Montgomery 3:47

you away from being the parent because you're such the pain in the ass? Um, and so it's it's leading us to our topic today on wrong way forward is is it the wrong way forward for parents to have favorites? And Justin, did do you think, I mean, you had a sibling, do you think your parents had favorites?

Justin Joseph 4:06

Well, um, you know, my parents listen to this podcast, and so does my sibling. So um let me say this. I was shocked by the New York Times article where it said the the facts are two-thirds of parents do have favorites. Now, I have no idea how they know that, if that's parents' admissions or children saying I feel like they had favorites. I don't think the article didn't clarify that, did it, Katy?

Katy Montgomery 4:27

Well, I think what was interesting is um this is the work of um Jill Souter at Purdue, and it's the largest longitudinal study based on parental um favoritism. And so they had 500 parents. And I think what was interesting is parents wouldn't answer the question, do you have a favorite child? But guess what they would respond to is which child do you spend more resources on? Which child do you feel more of an emotional connection with? And this is this is gonna kill you. Your heart's gonna break in half. Which child are you more disappointed

What The Purdue Study Actually Shows

Katy Montgomery 5:00

in?

Justin Joseph 5:00

It's okay. In that case, I'm clearly a favorite. Across pretty much all three of those categories.

Katy Montgomery 5:07

You're the favorite.

Justin Joseph 5:08

Well, I would not, I would say that, you know, my brother is a brilliant, lovely human. He's an amazing father, and I just feel like he's easier to love. Let me say that.

Katy Montgomery 5:17

And that is sometimes a the version of favorite.

Justin Joseph 5:20

I read that in the article that sometimes it's, you know, and I was a different.

Katy Montgomery 5:23

If you are agreeable, you are the parent's favorite, usually. Because if you're easier to parent, that is a a good indicator that you might be the preferred child.

Justin Joseph 5:31

Yes. And Jeff was much easier to parent. My parents would admit that out loud. Yes.

Katy Montgomery 5:36

You know, they We all know this, Justin. We don't need to check with your parents.

Justin Joseph 5:40

Um, they would say that because I was dealing with coming out and all of that kind of stuff, that that's why I would just had a lot of rage. But clearly some of that rage is carried over. So um anyway, but you know, it's it's just that we're just such different people. He has kids, and of course, every parent wants to be a grandparent, and that's you know, so I get all of that. I, you know, and I'm I don't know. You do that is it a favorite thing? No, but I don't know.

Katy Montgomery 6:07

Well, I mean, I remember, you know, because I was the kid who did ask my mom, do you have a favorite? And she would very clearly look at me and she would say, Katy, it's the one who's being nicest to me today. And that was very much my mom's personality. Like, I don't want to deal with your bullshit. And if you're nice to me, everything's in harmony and we're good. Um, we always joke in my family. I think each parent had a preferred daughter and a preferred son. I think my mom, Charles, was her boy, and I think Patrick was my daddy's. And I think, you know, there was a certain connection there. I think it was emotional, but I also think it was interest. You know, Patrick played soccer in college. You know, he was the last child. It was kind of living vicariously, you know, and I think there was a lot of that piece. But I think what's interesting is I think it can vary. I think, like, I think it's rare in families, maybe not according to this study from Purdue, but that, you know, one child can be a favorite one week and the child can be, you know, a favorite the next week. What I think is more interesting and maybe more relevant, well, I think there's two kind of things that are relevant to our listeners here is that what they say is as you get older, um, what and in this study, as you get older, what really kind of distinguishes who might be a favorite child when you might have children of your own is if you have similar values, you share religion and share politics, which makes sense because again, it comes with it's easier. There's not this disagreement, this fighting, this tension. Um, but it's really interesting, too, what this was saying is that there are really some negative consequences if you have a favorite child. Those children tend to have higher incidences. The ones that are not the favorite tend to have a higher incidence of depression and anxiety, and sometimes kind of educational and financial outcomes very differently too. So these two-thirds of the parents, you know, who were part of the study who had a preferred child, it seems as though the outcomes aren't great. And so I guess the question is, is this the wrong way forward and what do you do about it?

Justin Joseph 8:16

Yeah, well, I will say this like my parents, um, because Jeff, my brother, and I live such different lives in terms of, you know, again, he's a father, he has children, I don't have children. Um, they've also gone out of their way to make things equal. They will go overboard to make things equal. And I think that's that has to be an intentional choice as a parent, right? Because I do think some par kids are easier to love, and so you'll have to make an intentional choice to make it feel equal. And I think they've done that very well.

Katy Montgomery 8:43

Um that's a real testament because I think, you know, I had I had amazing parents, and things were very equal in terms of how many Christmas gifts were under the tree, and you know, you know, how what trip you got to take or you know, what your clothing allowance was. But I think when it comes to emotions and in the heat of the moment and when you were tired and exhausted and in the red zone, that's really hard to actually portray that equality and to make sure that that's that's in place. And so, really kudos to your parents because I don't think my parents were that great

Agreeable Kids And The “Easy To Love” Factor

Katy Montgomery 9:20

at that piece.

Justin Joseph 9:21

I will also say, like, my grandparents, now I can say this because both because I have no problem with this. My grandparents, Jeff was their favorite, period. And there were examples that I, you know, I have like 10 memories from my youth. I remember one Christmas I woke up and my father owns a very high-end Indian jewelry store. I'm sorry, my grandfather did in downtown Denver. And one Christmas I got a bolo tie and he got cash under the tree. And I was like 12 or maybe seven, I don't know. But I was like, I don't even know what this is, and Jeff's getting cash. And like he would, the grandparents would bring him out to visit him every year. And it's so that kind of stuff I remember.

Katy Montgomery 9:56

And how did that make you feel?

Justin Joseph 9:59

I still remember opening the bolo tie. It was this weird bear with turquoise. And I mean, who gives a seven-year-old a bolo tie?

Katy Montgomery 10:06

A grandparent who doesn't like his grandson.

Justin Joseph 10:10

So I mean, like the thing, this kind of those kinds of things matter, you know, and they are impressionable.

Katy Montgomery 10:17

Well, I think, you know, maybe what we can do is take a break and come back because we have um found some discussions online what people do when their kids are inquisitive and say, who is your favorite? We want to see if some of these answers are the wrong way forward or not. We'll take that on the next side um after this break. You've been listening to Ron Way Forward, where bad advice goes to die, and then gets resurrected just so we can roast it again.

Justin Joseph 10:42

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Katy Montgomery 10:47

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Speaker 10:57

Now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin Podcast.

Justin Joseph 11:03

Welcome back to this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward, where we are taking on do parents have favorites? Research says the answer

Grandparents’ Favorites And Lasting Imprints

Justin Joseph 11:10

is yes. Two-thirds of them, parents all across the country who are listed as podcasts are taking issue with this, but the facts are what the facts are. And so research says two-thirds of parents have favorites. We're taking that on this week's episode of Long Way Forward. Text us what your thoughts are. We have our text line active, 720-251-4450. Let us know whether you agree or disagree that parents have wrong way forward. And one of the things we're talking about this week also is what do you answer if you are a parent and the child, and the inevitable question is, do you have a favorite? Did you ever see that movie, um, Katy Barbara Streis and the Prince of Tides?

Katy Montgomery 11:45

Um, yes, and I read the book.

Justin Joseph 11:48

Of course you did. But that was like one of the greatest examples of like parent bad parenting. You remember the crazy mom, and the kids would come into her and say, and she would pull one aside and they'd say, Am I your favorite? And she'd say, Yes, but don't tell your brother. Or I mean, anyway, it was a really disgusting, impactful thing that she did, and it really was.

Katy Montgomery 12:06

It was. And I think what's interesting, if we just, you know, go back really quickly to the work of Jill Souter, is that, you know, she says kind of basically that children love equality. And I see this every day with my niece and nephew. They're three years apart, and

Break And Listener CTA

Katy Montgomery 12:20

it is very much like she got this, he got this, she got that, he got that. Kids are very focused. It is a huge value for kids as a quality. And so what they say is first of all, parents and kids aren't talking about the inequality, but more that if you do treat children differently, the research shows that you should explain why. So I'm spending Interesting. It was interesting because I thought the example was this, and I'm like, I think there could be some tweaking on this. But if you're spending more time with Bobby on his homework, you can say Bobby needs more support because he's struggling with people.

Justin Joseph 12:56

Just say Bobby's special.

Katy Montgomery 12:58

Yeah. So he's no longer your favorite, but you just gave him a complete and total complex about his brain and his intelligence. But if you can kind of explain why, you know, I am, you know, taking, you know, your sister to soccer practice because, et cetera, et cetera. Um, but I think what was interesting is, you know, we found um what some people doing are doing in response to the question, am I your favorite child? And hopefully a lot of these people aren't doing what the you know the mother character did in the Prince of Tides, which we know is just a horrific thing. So, Justin, what are some of the examples that we're hearing about how to answer that question?

Justin Joseph 13:37

Well, I would say that um the overriding theme, I would say two-thirds of the people that have responded, and there's a lot of responses

How Parents Answer “Who’s Your Favorite”

Justin Joseph 13:43

on this thread, um, mirror what Gail King says about her children, and it drives me nuts. She'll be like, oh, this is favorite daughter so-and-so, or favorite son so-and-so. A ton of people use that as sort of a way to get out of it. I just think it's almost cliche at this point. Um, so reading through them, you both are is one of the answers. Um, you won't be if you keep asking me that. That kind of mirrors what your mom said. One of my favorites was, I don't know, I'm still deciding. I think that's hilarious. That's like snippy, but it doesn't answer the question. That'd probably be my answer.

Katy Montgomery 14:14

That would totally be your answer.

Justin Joseph 14:16

Although now with my dogs, I do do the persitizing. Like, you're my favorite, don't tell your sister. But their dogs don't want to do that. But that's really the kind of the overarching theme. Most people say, You're my favorite son, they only have one son, you're my favorite daughter, they only have one daughter, etc.

Katy Montgomery 14:29

Well, you know, this is gonna make me sound like a total psycho, but I remember when my brothers um they started having children. And I'm like, Mom, do you love me or your grandchildren more? I mean, that's that that's probably very telling. Anyone out there with a degree in psychotherapy is probably, you know, diagnosing she's got some real issues. Um, but my mom's like, I knew you first and the longest. You you, and I'm like, okay, right answer. Let's move on.

Justin Joseph 14:57

That's a great answer.

Katy Montgomery 14:58

I thought so, definitely.

Justin Joseph 15:00

Um, one of the, you know, also made me think of, you know, I it's I don't have children, obviously, but I have nieces and nephews, and we just went to dinner and the podcast came up and they said, Be careful, you end up on Justin's podcast. I'm like, no, you won't. And here I go. Um, but I have a niece who came out, and so you know, there's that connection there that my other niece and and I don't have. And so, you know, I also feel like I need to be over overly supportive because she's in the early stages of that. And um, anyway, I'm trying to be very careful about that. But of course, at Christmas, I I handed out Christmas cards to everyone with money in it, and I effing forgot to put cash in the other one's other one's card. I mean, um and so I you know I'm so I'm just carrying on, and poor thing, she has to go tell someone that she didn't get the cash that the other three kids, nephews and nieces, did and so anyway, uh halfway through the party gets back to me that you didn't put money in your niece's card. And I'm like, oh, son of a bitch. So I had to give her double money because that's the only one. And so now I'm just I'm like, here's twice the money. I'm sorry.

Katy Montgomery 16:03

I know. Have you ever overcompensated before?

Justin Joseph 16:06

Well, clearly, yeah, that's I yeah, that's exactly right. So anyway, um, so yes, I I think I guess I do have to be mindful of that with nieces and nephews as well. Do you with your niece and nephew? I think you kind of talked about this.

Katy Montgomery 16:18

Yeah, I mean, I you know, I think it's, you know, for me it's like behavior, it's interest in me, it's the connection. But I mean, I do, I love them all equally. But I, you know, what's so interesting is seeing kids from the time they're born until they grow up, they just become such interesting people and they pick up such different interest, you know? And there's certain times and I just find it I'm a little more curious and more interested than others. Um, but it it ebbs and flows, right? You know, and I'm I'm and I guess the right word would be sometimes I'm more curious about some than others. And it's interesting when they become teenagers.

Justin Joseph 16:54

Is that okay?

Katy Montgomery 16:55

Um, you know, I don't know. But like when they become teenagers, they're they're less interested in you and they're less um reliant on you. And totally. And I think again, like you not having kids, there's something to be said about that, you know, Aunt Katy, you know, and just the excitement rather than like, oh, good to see you, Aunt Katy. You know, I I like a lot of enthusiasm.

Justin Joseph 17:16

Yeah, I know you do. And you like attention too.

Katy Montgomery 17:19

I I do, I love attention. So I'm I am like you aware of it. I know I'm not perfect and I know that it slips. And that's why I really feel for parents because I I

Explaining Inequality Without Harm

Katy Montgomery 17:30

I think it's incredibly difficult to work in that even Steven, this is always equal all the time with children, with everything that's going on and the ups and downs, and your own kind of um reactions and triggers and what's happening. So, you know, um, it's it's a difficult task.

Justin Joseph 17:48

And the truth is you probably maybe do like one of the kids better than the other, but your job is not to show that. Do you think that's a clear statement?

Katy Montgomery 17:55

I mean, I wouldn't go that far because I really think it varies. I mean, I think someone could be my favorite on Friday and I'll have a new favorite on Monday. I'm a pretty fickle person about that. You remember, Jack? Did I ever tell this story? Maybe you I got this from you or something, but it was like, you know, who are your top 10 friends? And like put them in kind of order.

Justin Joseph 18:15

Well, just start it. We we were driving back from we were driving back, we were on a college road trip driving back. Go ahead.

Katy Montgomery 18:21

Right. And it was you and one of our best friends. I wasn't in the car. And and I think y'all listed like top 10 people you wanted to hang out with, and I made the list, but it just kind of became this thing for me. Like, who are your top 10? And then I kind of put it into top 15. And it started become this kind of way that I evaluated, not manip like in a manipulative way or like in a, but it was more like, you know, I one time used this with one of my friends, and he's like, I don't know whether or not I want to go to this um this wedding that's out of the country. And I'm like, is it your top 15 friend? And he goes, Well, let me see. And I asked these kind of questions, and he goes, Yes. Then I said, for a top 15 friend, you go to a destination wedding, right? And it was just kind of this thing. So, I mean, Justin, we don't have kids, but we do it with our friends, we do it with our the people. I mean, we we all tend to be drawn to certain people over others. And I think when you're in a group dynamic with a group of friends, I think you also have to be careful about that.

Justin Joseph 19:21

Constantly. And so did you uh opine whether you think it's the wrong way forward for parents to have a favorite? What are what are your final thoughts on that as we move to block C?

Katy Montgomery 19:28

Um, I think good question. I don't think it's the wrong way forward because I think it's inevitable. And I, if anyone says that they truly never ever have had one, I'm gonna really call BS on that. I think the wrong way forward is not trying to be super hyper aware of it and and trying to do the best to explain when there is a a perceived preference why that may exist.

unknown 19:51

All right.

Katy Montgomery 19:51

What about you, Justin?

Justin Joseph 19:52

I think it's I disagree. I think it is the wrong way forward to have favorites. Like I said, that may be something that crosses, but I think it's your job as a parent to never let that on. And so the right answer is I'm still deciding.

Katy Montgomery 20:03

There you go.

Justin Joseph 20:04

All right. We'll be back on the other side. Text us or send us an email, whether you think it's right or wrong way forward. Our text line is 720251-4450, and our email address is wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. On the other side of the break, we're going to take a few of your emails, and this is my favorite one. The title is The Montgomery Grip Has Ruined My Life. We'll be back on the other side to talk about that. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides, boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 20:37

Enjoying this dumpster fire? Like, subscribe, and check back every Thursday for new episodes. Want us to roast your favorite piece

Nieces, Nephews, And Accidental Favoritism

Katy Montgomery 20:45

of nonsense? Email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin. And we're back. And you know what is interesting is we've been talking about parents that have favorites. I will say, Justin, that anyone who writes into our Wrong Way Forward podcast at Gmail or sends something to our text line tends to be my favorite viewer or listener. I really love those engaged listeners. And it's interesting, um, from last week's episode, I did get something, and this is from a high school friend I haven't heard from in a while, whose name is Karen. And I would like to state for the record. Poor Karen's. And she said, it's just been horrible that the name's been hijacked. And that is something that we didn't comment on, and it is correct, you know, that it's unfair that that name has been attached to such nasty and horrible behavior. And I would like to state for the record there, and I I know multiple Karen's, I can think of three from high school alone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who are excellent, lovely, open, um, intelligent. And you know, embrace diversity that are absolutely not the main Karen's. So just for the record, wanted to state that in terms of what we've heard from our listeners.

Justin Joseph 22:11

And on that note, it was educational to me last week when we talked about this because I really did associate racism with Karen, and that's just not part of it.

Katy Montgomery 22:20

I mean, it can be, right? It can be, but I yeah, I don't think that it is an absolute necessary requirement, but you do see some overlap.

Justin Joseph 22:30

Okay. Well, that sounds like a whole nother show topic. All right, anyway, you're back to your email.

Katy Montgomery 22:35

And so, Justin, I think you just kind of teased um something about the Montgomery grip, and I'm very nervous as to what that message is.

Justin Joseph 22:45

Well, for those of you who were who have not yet listened to last week's episode, I always talked about in college. Katy had this saying we're the we'd call the Montgomery grip, and it was powerful and mesmerizing. And she'd come up and she'd just do a slight touch on it. I'm like, How are you? And then and then she would turn it. She'd be like, he'd be like, Dune, dune. She's like, How are you? And then she'd either go in for something she wanted or she would pull the rug out from underneath you and say something like, This is cute, like like and she hated it.

Katy Montgomery 23:13

So anyway, this person wrote You have just painted me out to be a horrible, manipulative person who sounds like I've been like raised under a rock. Yes, I am not a Karen.

Justin Joseph 23:24

You are not a Karen, 100%. But anyway, this this hit a note with this viewer. Dear

Is Having A Favorite The Wrong Way Forward

Justin Joseph 23:30

Katy and Justin, the Montgomery grip has ruined my life. I learned today that I've been on the receiving end of the Montgomery grip for years and didn't know it had a name.

Katy Montgomery 23:42

Justin, who is that?

Justin Joseph 23:44

Uh, somebody named Tina. I don't know. Someone at work grabbed my arm and said, I love you, and then absolutely nuked my self-esteem. And I realized that it is a learned behavior. Katy, please issue a public apology to everyone you've ever gently touched.

Katy Montgomery 23:57

Is this person saying she got the Montgomery grip from me or is she loving someone else?

Justin Joseph 24:02

She doesn't realize this has been in her life before she ever knew us for a million years.

Katy Montgomery 24:07

Well, I'd like to say, I'm not gonna apologize. I'd like to say, you're welcome for making it's a public service. Yes, it's a public service. Now you are aware of this behavior and you can create a healthy boundary or have an important discussion.

Justin Joseph 24:23

Oh my god, this show has saved people's lives.

Katy Montgomery 24:25

Yes, exactly. Maybe that wrong way forward. Saving lives daily.

Justin Joseph 24:30

Yeah, exactly. Oh my god, that is hilarious. Um, that was my favorite viewer email. The other ones were just kind of some stuff. Cold what cold french fries or a gateway drug talks about how someone freaking out of a cold french fries turning into a career, and it's a gateway drug to being a car, and that's pretty funny. That is um what's that I said?

Katy Montgomery 24:47

I mean, that is pretty funny because you could see someone pulling, you know, not really being a car, but pulling that and being allowed to get away with it, and the recipient not standing up for themselves or not having somebody, you know, intercede on their behalf. And then that person's emboldened to have bad behavior again. You know, it's kind of sometimes when I think about like

Listener Mail: The “Montgomery Grip”

Katy Montgomery 25:10

in the workplace, like you don't nip that toxic shit in the bud early on. People just have, you know, carte blanche to do it all the time. It's and so I could see that. I think that's a very important point.

Justin Joseph 25:22

All right, so here's something we have not talked about, Katy, but I want your take on it.

Katy Montgomery 25:25

Yes.

Justin Joseph 25:25

I don't think you know this show, but I and I know for certain you don't watch it, but there's a show called Traitors. Have you heard of it?

Katy Montgomery 25:31

I have heard of it and is on my list to watch, but I'm four seasons behind, so I'm kind of overwhelmed.

Justin Joseph 25:36

Oh, started season one, they're all great. Anyway, and the bet the housewives are on it. You love the housewives, don't you?

Katy Montgomery 25:40

Yes, I do love the housewives.

Justin Joseph 25:41

Yeah, housewives are on this with Lisa Runner's on this latest. Anyway, they're they've always done a celebrity version of traitors, but they're doing a non-celebrity version. And guess who wants to apply? This guy.

Katy Montgomery 25:51

Is his name Justin?

Justin Joseph 25:52

Yeah, it's the greatest show ever.

Katy Montgomery 25:54

Anyway, manipulation, and I think the word traitors, I'm sure like there's a but that's a synonym, right? Yeah, but they asked manipulator, traitor.

Justin Joseph 26:03

In the video, they asked why would you be a good trader? or and I and I'm like, you know, I'm gonna ask Katy why she thinks I'd be a good trader.

Katy Montgomery 26:11

Well, I think you're very clever and smart and creative. So I think you you can always figure out an angle. I think having been a um defense attorney, having been a journalist and a real estate agent, I think the common skill among there is being able to connect with people, to read people. So I think you've got a lot of experience in that space. Um, I think you can definitely bring drama to the show. Um, and I think that makes it really interesting. Um, and you know, I think that you do take yourself seriously, but at the same time you don't. So I think there'll be a level of humor around it. So I think you'd be an excellent applicant. I think you'd be an excellent trader.

Justin Joseph 26:55

Yeah, I think I'd be an excellent trader. Um having said, you've got to watch the show. It's the greatest show on TV. And we we we're not gonna waste any more time on that. But um, anyway, all right. Well, do you want to read your Karen email or you want to save for next week? Did you the woman, you didn't you get an email from Karen, or you were just summarizing it?

Katy Montgomery 27:11

Yeah, I was just summarizing it. But yes, we we do we do apologize and we do have the footnote that some Karen's are beautiful, lovely people that we all aspire to be because unfortunately they've gotten stuck with that name. But with that being said, um, thank you again for joining us for Wrong Way Forward. We'd love to hear from you. Um, again, the email is wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. You can also find us on TikTok, YouTube, Instagram, and Facebook. So we'd love to engage with y'all more. And we hope to see you next week.

Justin Joseph 27:42

Bye, everybody. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

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