15. Confessions on Doomscrolling from 2 Former Bedwetters

This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy and Justin return from Thanksgiving with puppies, storms, and some startling realizations about their phone habits. What begins as an innocent chat about boredom quickly unravels into a full-blown intervention on overstimulation, doomscrolling, and why watching TV while also scrolling TikTok might be the new American pastime.

Katy wonders whether she’s lost the ability to sit still without a screen, Justin admits he can't read without mentally leaving his body, and together they unpack Jonathan Haidt, The Anxious Generation, and why 40% of American two-year-olds having iPads should terrify us all.

Along the way, they revisit childhood spy clubs, intelligence-related bedwetting (allegedly), parental trauma involving trash-bag mattresses, and the eternal question: Can we actually learn to be present, or is boredom still illegal?

Katy makes a public New Year’s commitment to a 30-minute-a-day social media limit using a mysterious device called “The Brick,” while Justin negotiates his own battle with TV news dopamine.

If you've ever found yourself scrolling during a movie, listening to audiobooks at 1.5x, or panicking when your Screen Time report appears, this episode is your people.

Text the show at 720-251-4450 or email wrongwayforwardpodcast@gmail.com
 — especially if you're a fellow bedwetter. We’re building a community here.

Transcript

Back From Break And A New Theme

Speaker 1 0:00

She's Katy Montgomery. He's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. Now here's Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 0:11

Hi, and welcome to Wrong Way Forward. My name is Katy Montgomery, and I'm here with my best friend Justin Joseph. And we are returning after Thanksgiving. Justin, how was your break?

Justin Joseph 0:21

You know, it was great. As I mentioned before, we went to Las Vegas and then we flew and got the great puppy that everybody has heard about if you've listened to our podcast. And so I'll apologize in advance if you hear anything. I've got her on a very large bone, which she has been really good with, but she can also move through them quickly and then there's a choking hazard. So I'll maybe rushing off camera. You can also see my setup is different because her cage is right here. So if all goes well, maybe I will introduce her to the show afterwards. How was your break?

Katy Montgomery 0:51

It was good. But you know, one of the things that I noticed is we had um some very cold and rainy weather. So there was some indoor time. And I found myself um spending an inordinate amount of time on my cell phone. This was despite being with my sister, who's my best friend and clearly family. And it started me thinking about am I having a hard time being bored? Just sitting with my thoughts, coming up with things to do, and is the default becoming my phone? And so I think that's what we're gonna talk about today. Is that potentially the wrong way forward? And hopefully by the end of today's session, um, we'll have a right way forward, or at least for me. And I'm hoping that I can um make some statements about trying to get off of that phone. Um, and so this um kind of group and our listeners can hold me accountable in the new year.

Justin Joseph 1:45

Yeah. Let me ask you the starting point. Have you always been, I mean, I've known you forever, obviously. And so my what I would think about, what

Is The Phone Our Boredom Crutch?

Justin Joseph 1:52

I how I would think about you when you and I spent a lot of time together back in college days is that you were always on the go. You were more engaged. Back then we talked on the phone, right? We didn't even have text messages, right? Right. So we would talk on the phone, and I remember you were a talker on the phoner, not a huge one, but you know, you were always doing things. Um, and is that still how you are today?

Katy Montgomery 2:12

I mean, definitely. I mean, I think that I'm, you know, a busybody and I like to kind of keep myself engaged. But what I have found is that a solo act of doing one thing is no longer enough. So I have find myself watching TV and I'm also on my telephone. Oh, absolutely. You know, I'm not purely invested. And that's why sometimes I find taking a really long international flight so relaxing because I don't have access to my phone and the internet. And so I can be completely present in that one activity I'm doing rather than constantly multitasking. And I think the phone is has given me a crutch, you know, to kind of get that adrenaline pump or to kind of, you know, not deal with the anxieties. It's just replacing it or projecting it somewhere else.

Justin Joseph 3:00

Let me ask you about that, because you're also a big reader. And would you say that your the number of books you have read has gone down because of the phone? Because you have you're not as much time on that.

Katy Montgomery 3:11

Um, I think yes, but I have now moved from reading books to listening books. Um and I have a a good friend um who um works at a bookshop and buys books, and she says that does count. I do not think it's a one-to-one comparison. So I'd say I'd probably listen to 50 books this year. Um, but again, I think that shows you that I'm having to do two or three things at once. I'm having to exercise and listen to a book. I'm having to like go run errands and listen to a book. I'm not sitting down with the book and being completely present in that one activity.

Justin Joseph 3:45

Well, here's also why why I know that to be true because the other thing you told me when you were here visiting is that you listen to books on speed. Yes. Meaning they're not just at normal time, they're at time and a half or two times, which does kind of play into the you need to be overstimulated.

Speaker 4 4:00

Um, Justin, you know, pot kettle. I mean, you have to be completely stimulated all the time, also. Yes.

Justin Joseph 4:06

So I like it. I can't read because if I start reading, my mind is off to something else. And if it was on speed, I would really be in a different place. I couldn't do it. I actually tried doing it after you told me that I hadn't heard about that, and it was way too much for me.

Katy Montgomery 4:23

Well, I love it. 1.5

Books, Audiobooks, And Overstimulation

Katy Montgomery 4:25

is my speed.

Speaker 4 4:27

There we go.

Justin Joseph 4:28

All right. So today we were going to talk about whether we are spending too much time on our phones. And I love this topic because Josh Baker, my husband, is I I would hate to see his phone traffic. You know, you get the weekly report. He is on his phone constantly. It's it's sort of become a point of it not any more than it always has, but like, you know, he's just always on it. We can be watching a movie, and I look over and he's on his phone. And so anyway, um, so we're gonna start today with advice from Michelle Obama who talks about living in the moment. And we and we both I I I I'll speak for myself and we can listen to the advice, but I think it is the wrong way for it.

Speaker 5:02

You know, life is full of bumps and bruises. I tell my girls the greatest gift that they can have, develop for themselves is the ability to be self- to be happy where you are, whatever that is. To learn how to be like, this is not exciting. I'm not winning, I'm not losing. Yeah, I'm not achieving, I'm not, it's not a party. I don't have friends around every day. It's like most of life is just the nothing in the middle.

Justin Joseph 5:31

But she's talking about this is the advice that she gives her daughter. They need to learn how to be bored, to learn how to live in the ordinary. What are your thoughts on that?

Katy Montgomery 5:38

Um, this is something that I actually agree. Um, my I remember being a kid and going up to my mom, you know, like in the summer and being like, I'm bored. And my mom's response was, Well, Katy, only stupid people are bored. And, you know, and I think ridiculous.

Justin Joseph 5:55

You can put you can put that statement in front of anything. Only stupid people are whatever.

Katy Montgomery 6:00

And my mom did not have an affinity for stupid people at all. Um, but I think there is something to be said about being able to kind of sit with yourself, sit with your thoughts, be able to open your mind to kind of be creative, to be able to play. And I think having to have constant engagement and having kind of inputs constantly coming in to keep you engaged. I think it is, you know, it's some people would argue the dummy of America. And I think, you know, it's really interesting. I've been listening to the book Unbroken by Laura Hildebrand. It was also a movie, and it's fantastic. And you talk about these people who, you know, in World War II were, you know, very well-rounded, really deep thinkers, you know, and excellent problem solvers, you know, were able to sit with a problem and be incredibly resilient. And I'm just finding that not being able to be with boredom, I see myself jumping and changing and maybe not sticking with things like I used to. And so I think that's probably some good advice. What do you think, Justin?

Justin Joseph 7:11

I think it's, I think it like most of the advice we cover on the show, I think it's an oversimplification. You can't just say we all need to live

Living In The Ordinary: Helpful Or Hollow?

Justin Joseph 7:17

to live to learn to live in the ordinary. Um, and the reason is I think it's an oversimplification. I think life is about um in those moments, what are you teaching yourself to step into? And so um, you know, I'm a big believer in um, you know, if you're ever bored, you're not you're not taking risks, you're not going out there and doing the next thing. And so I think that's how I was raised. I never asked my mom, is there anything I can do? Or can what what was the question you asked your mom?

Katy Montgomery 7:45

I was just like, mom, I'm bored. I would just make a statement.

Justin Joseph 7:49

I was never bored. I mean, I would I I had clubs and I played Wonder Woman and I um, you know, I played G.I. Joe. I I I had a neighborhood spy club. So I just constantly, my mind was just constantly working. And so I never got bored. Um, as I get older, I find that even when I don't have something to do, I've tried to live in that moment, especially in real estate. Like if my phone's not ringing, I'm panicked that the next deal's not coming through. Um, and I've really had to try and take a moment to say that's okay. But I still am trying, I'm still saying, what else can I do? I can I go to the movie to occupy that time. So maybe I need to be doing it as well.

Katy Montgomery 8:25

Yeah, and I think I think again, it's interesting because you're you're it sounds like you're trying to fill, you're trying to avoid being bored, which I think is the opposite of what she's saying, is that if we can just sit in that moment, things can kind of develop and happen. And so I think I probably am similar to you that it's like feel it, do it, stay busy, go join a club, have something else to do. And we've gotten into this kind of multitasking, constantly moving, needing all these inputs, you know, trying to follow the, you know, the next bright light. That what are we missing by being kind of completely present and sitting in the space? And and and why are we so uncomfortable with being bored?

Justin Joseph 9:07

But I think that nails it on the head because that I'll speak for myself. You're right, it is a filler. I'm looking for the something to do. And I I think that the issue is I don't want to sit and deal with the fact that my phone isn't ringing or that it, you know, they're whatever else the other things are. I think that that nails it on the head. I I still disagree with the fundamental advice that everybody needs to learn to live in the ordinary. I still think, you know, my favorite people who are who are people who live life in the extraordinary, whatever that means for them. Those are the people I think you connect with, those are the people I think I connect with, and I think that's what makes life exciting and fulfilling. Agree with that.

Katy Montgomery 9:42

Um, I guess agree with a a twist, you know, it's this idea that you have to constantly be extraordinary, that you have to constantly be multifaceted and interesting. I mean, I don't want to be around a bunch of duds, but you know, what is this kind of constant chase? Um and, you know, and I think extraordinary, ordinary, these are so um subjective. Um, and what might be extraordinary for one person is not for someone else. And so, um, you know, Scott Galloway, who I really kind of admire, has been talking a lot. He teaches at Stern Business School at NYU, and he says the absolute worst advice you are going to get in this NBA program is follow your passion. And he's like, that's utter bullshit. What you need to do is figure out what you do well and then get even better at it. And I think to me, kind of, you know, chase the extraordinary, not the ordinary, and things like, you know, go follow your passion. I think that kind of goes back to platitudes. I think that's really simplistic, kind of not nuanced kind of advice.

Justin Joseph 10:51

I agree. And obviously, I need to deal with this animal that's on my left hand. So we're gonna take a break, and on the other side, we're gonna take up this conversation and talk about how social media plays into all of this. We'll be back right up to this. Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides, boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 11:12

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The Chase For Extraordinary And Its Traps

Katy Montgomery 11:30

And now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Speaker 1 11:32

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery 11:36

And we're back. And we've been talking about, you know, can we just be present in the moment? And I think something that's very relevant to this is one thing that has been keeping us from being present in the moment is social media and um and cell phones. And I don't know if anybody's been following, but um I had read a book by Jonathan Hayt called The Happiness Hypothesis years ago. And he has a lot of new kind of work around what he calls the anxious generation. And he's been doing a lot of anti-smartphone kind of advocacy. And Justin and I were both born um in the 70s, and then it was just people had children had free reign. You went out, you rode your bike, Justin played Wonder Woman and was in a spy club. Um, I played the spy club, by the way. What did you say?

Justin Joseph 12:26

I was the head of the spy club. Cloak and dagger was the name of it. Remember that movie? You probably didn't ever watch that movie.

Speaker 4 12:31

No, I didn't watch that.

Katy Montgomery 12:33

I did play interior decorator and and we went to joiner elementary and they passed out all of this army stuff. And my sister and I played army recruitment and we asked two questions. Do you wet the bed and are you gay?

Justin Joseph 12:48

And I wet the bed till I was like 13, and I was gay also telling me.

Katy Montgomery 12:52

Um, I wet the bed forever, and it's a sign of intelligence.

Justin Joseph 12:56

Is that true?

Katy Montgomery 12:56

100%, because I have we have a fellow bedwetter friend in common. I'm not gonna name that person. And we've seen the research. It's a sign of incredible intelligence.

Justin Joseph 13:08

Well, you know, my mother is so anal and type A that so every morning she would come in, and if the bed was wet, she would she would lay black plastic back, black plastic trash bags over it and pin it in with those pins, and they would be pinned all around. So I slept in trash bags until I was 10 years old. And my brother had this beautiful furniture set, and I was not permitted to get new furniture until the bed wedding stopped.

Speaker 4 13:31

It was terrible. My sister said that they promised me to give me not a Rubik's cube, but a Rubik snake. I don't know if you remember that. Don't pee in the bed. We'll give you for a week, we'll get you a Rubik snake. I never got it.

Justin Joseph 13:43

But the other thing was I was not allowed to sleep over because I was so mortified that I was gonna piss the bed in someone else's house.

Speaker 4 13:51

I can't believe I'm about to say this out loud. But we took a road trip. I don't know if you were part of that trip, but I can think about who was there. We stayed at somebody's um apartment in Atlanta and I pissed her bed and caught her lunch.

Speaker 2 14:04

What did you do?

Speaker 4 14:06

I pissed the bed.

Speaker 2 14:07

I know, but what did you do? Did you tell her?

Speaker 4 14:10

No, I think I tried to like, you know, cover it up. I might have taken a hairdryer in there, probably.

Justin Joseph 14:15

Oh goodness. Um, yeah, and that reminds me like in my early coming out days. I had this group of friends and we went to Vegas one weekend. And um, anyway, I think somebody dropped an ecstasy tab, and we were staying at someone's house at their mother's house, and he was sleeping in their parents' bed and pissed the bed in her parents' bed, and we had to get her out of the house because we were gonna do laundry, and it was like the great operation to keep this, and we've she never said a word about it. So for all we know.

Katy Montgomery 14:42

Justin, do you remember that after school special when this really good-looking guy and he played football, but in high school he was still wet in the bed, and one day he came home from school and his mom had taken his sheet and thrown it out the front window and hung it down like a flag with the big pea stain on it, and he was with all the popular people and he came home.

Speaker 2 15:02

I did not see that.

Katy Montgomery 15:03

Again, I wouldn't say that, and I'm like, please don't let my mom get any ideas from this.

Justin Joseph 15:10

Oh my god, that's hilarious. Okay, we've gotten way off topic. Back to the anxious generation, you've just made me anxious again.

Katy Montgomery 15:17

Okay, there you go. Well, try to sit with it and not multitask or look at your phone. So basically in the 70s, we were free reign, and and what Jonathan hate says is that in the around the 1990s, we kind of lost this idea of childhood play. Um, people became, you know, really kind of skeptical of um institutions, trust in adults stopped,

Break: Show Mission And CTA

Katy Montgomery 15:40

and so kids started to stay inside and they started to, you know, play on Atari, video games, they also started to kind of watch TV. And then in 2010, the cell phone comes along. And about 2010 to 2015, we see this generation, and right around kind of 2017, people come out and go, wait, this is bad. This is really bad for kids. Um, but then what happened is on the cusp of that, COVID happened and the cell phone usage just pumped up. Parents were working, you know, they needed to, you know, multitask, they give the kids an iPad, which is crazy because I read this kind of stat and I almost fell out of my chair that 40% of American two-year-olds have their own iPad.

Justin Joseph 16:22

40% of American two-year-olds. Okay.

Katy Montgomery 16:25

Yes. And so basically what they're saying is that they're asking kids now, you know, why are you depressed? And they're saying it's social media. And this kind of comment is being confirmed by parents, teachers, therapists, and pediatricians. But I think what really kind of hit me is I'm a child of the 70s. I had the free play, you know, and I am finding myself spending a lot of time on my phone. Um, I'm finding myself defaulting to my phone. Um, and I really want to do something about it. And when I'm talking to parents, they're saying it's a real issue. Some are wishing they never gave their kids one as early as they did. Others are saying who have younger children are like, I'm waiting, I'm gonna try to wait until they're 18. And maybe when they're in high school, they're gonna get a flip phone. Um, but I'm wondering what's what's the right way forward?

The Anxious Generation And Kids’ Phones

Katy Montgomery 17:21

And Justin, do you think it's the wrong way forward for me to consider maybe a detox um in the new year?

Justin Joseph 17:30

No, I I I have friends who've done the detox. Um, I guess I've done the detox from social media, and um Karina Delaney may have met her at a launch party. She does that regularly or did that regularly and spoke how freeing it was. Um, I can speak to it in this standpoint is that you know, I was on Facebook for many, many years, and I got hacked last year and um could not get I didn't have two factor authentication set up and I couldn't get back in, and someone took over my Facebook. And long story short, I I mean I tried everything. I hired an ethical hacker to hack me back in. Facebook would not cooperate. It was a nightmare, and I finally gave up. And so I don't have Facebook to this day, or I do, or someone does for me. Um anyway, and it that has been freeing that I don't have to have have that. Now I check Instagram all the time, I'm on Instagram all the time, but I really have backed off even on posting on that. Um, and so I don't I think it is it's it's the right way forward. You know, there are apps you can get that can that kind of measure your usage and can limit you for you. Have you heard about those?

Katy Montgomery 18:29

Well, I've actually purchased the brick, so I have not implemented it. Um, it is something, so I think, you know, in the new year, you know, I want to plan on doing that. But you know, we're kind of in a predicament here with wrong way forward. I mean, the way that we get word out is through kind of social media channels. And so, you know, I've gone from having, you know, an Instagram account. I like to do Instagram, I've kind of returned back to Facebook. Um, I was off for kind of a while. But now we have, you know, wrong way forward, LinkedIn, Facebook, YouTube, TikTok, um, you know, TikTok. We have Buzz Sprout that kind of gives us all of our stats. And so that's another reason that my kind of consumption, phone consumption has gone up because I'm wanting to check all of those, you know, and I'm getting that kind of dopamine hit. Oh my gosh, we just hit another country.

Justin Joseph 19:22

And so, you know, and what'd you say to me yesterday when we were talking about the Thanksgiving holiday? You said, um, we didn't post last week in TikTok, and TikTok emailed me and said, You're down a hundred views.

Katy Montgomery 19:32

Yes.

Justin Joseph 19:33

I mean, that's that's them, that's their dope, right? Their heroin.

Katy Montgomery 19:36

Yeah. And so it's, you know, so what, you know, what is, you know, what is the answer and what is healthy? And, you know, and and particularly now, you know, it's not just as individuals, but as companies, as foundations, as organizations, you know. I mean, you know, we've even just seen it like, you know, are nonprofits going to survive without social media campaigns on giving to? Tuesday, you know, so what's healthy here?

Justin Joseph 20:03

Well, and I think what is healthy is you and you kind of nailed it on the head is you know, this COVID is when all this blew up, this was a means of connection. I'm even to this day with wrong way forward. We I have reconnected with so many people from college that I hadn't heard from in years. Um, and so that I think is what's healthy about it. It is it can be reconnection. The downside, and I'll speak for myself, is that it also, I mean, the whole point you'll you'll when people post, the reasoning behind the post is to say, usually, look at me. And so in real estate, you know, if I'm scrolling through and I'm seeing some a realtor post all of their sales, it's making me feel badly that I don't have that. And so I have to recognize that in that moment that just because they're posting doesn't mean that I don't, you know, that I'm not successful. But that's the downside for me of it, is it it really can make you feel less than.

Katy Montgomery 20:51

Right. I agree. So why don't we take a break? And when we come back, um, we know that a lot of times when you say something publicly, you put it out there, you know, it you tend to have a lot more accountability. And so when we come back after the break, I'd like to make some kind of public announcement about what I hope um will move me from the wrong way forward with my cell phone to the right way forward. So we'll be back in just a moment.

Justin Joseph 21:16

Thanks for streaming Wrong Way Forward, the weekly reminder that advice is usually free for a reason. We call out bad advice wherever it hides boardrooms, break rooms, and even book clubs.

Katy Montgomery 21:27

Enjoying this dumpster fire, like, subscribe, and check back every Thursday for new episodes. Want us to roast your favorite piece of nonsense? Email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmail.com. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Speaker 1 21:46

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin.

Justin Joseph 21:50

Hi, everybody, and welcome back to Wrong Way Forward. This week we're talking about social media, its positives, it's negatives, um, the idea of living in the moment, being okay with stillness, which is if you know Katy or you know me, that's a really difficult thing to do. Um, and so uh Katy's gonna highlight some statistics and then she's just she teased going into the break that she's going to make a public commitment about social media. I don't know what that is. We'll see what that is. One other thing before we talk about that, we also remember to have our text line. You can text us as you're listening to the show. Just reference what you're talking about and give us your thoughts, and we will talk about it in our next episode. Our text line is 720-251-4450. Again, that's 720-251-4450. Text us your thoughts, Katy.

Katy Montgomery 22:36

Um, well, I just wanted to kind of reference a um Stanford study that really wanted to kind of answer how it's affecting our state. And

Social Media’s Pros, Cons, And Envy

Katy Montgomery 22:48

what they did was they died. Either they're having an affair or they're preparing shutters. It was over a thousand um people who quit Facebook and Instagram for five weeks before the 2020 election. And what they found is they had improved levels of happiness, decreased anxiety, and decreased depression. Um, so the you know, the data is out there and it's showing us. And so, you know, what I would like to do, and I just wanted to kind of veer off a little bit. I don't know if you've been seeing the Christmas commercials from Meta.

Justin Joseph 23:20

Um I know they've met. I remember them last year.

Katy Montgomery 23:23

They're very clever. You know, the idea is it's like somebody, it's a um Secret Santa. Somebody goes in and kind of pours through someone's Facebook and finds out that they were a fan of the band Kiss years ago, goes on Facebook Marketplace, finds KISS salt, paper, salt, and pepper shakers, and gives this really unique gift. It goes back to connection, connection, connection. So they know that they're being attacked, but they're talking about the benefits you are talking about is reconnecting with people, really connecting on that kind of cellular personal level. And what I want to do is remind myself that primarily what I am doing on social media is doom scrolling, getting caught up in, you know, just reading kind of worthless stuff. And I'm over shopping. And I think it would reduce some of my impulsive shopping because I see something, it's cute, it's easy, my credit card's connected, and things are happening kind of in real time. So, what I would like to do, and again, I'm giving myself this for the new year, I would like to, you know, limit myself to maybe two 15-minute kind of social media scrolls a day. Um, that would limit me to 30 minutes, you know, on the phone. And I'm gonna use this device, the brick, and try to figure out how that works and try to set that up. So I'll be doing no more than 30 minutes per day of kind of that use, useless kind of scrolling. Um, and I want you to kind of hold me accountable, Justin.

Justin Joseph 24:58

I will. And I what to tell me more about the brick. I hate the name of the brick. It makes me feel like I'm gonna sink to the bottom of the ocean with it.

Katy Montgomery 25:05

It's just a a little plastic kind of disc.

Justin Joseph 25:08

Oh a real brick. It's an actual item.

Katy Montgomery 25:11

Yeah, it's a plastic kind of brick, and what happens is you hold it up to your phone. Um, and then I think it kind of triggers that kind of, you know, blocking certain apps. So I could go in and I could block Facebook, YouTube. You know, I'm still not an active TikTok user. I've only we've only done it for purposes of wrong way forward. And so I've been very hesitant because I've heard that is a very bad place to go when you will get sucked in very quickly. Um, but you can put alerts on that that will close down certain apps. You could still use it for the maps and for your finances and for your email.

Justin Joseph 25:47

So literally will not let you access once you hold that device up, it does

Growth, Metrics, And The Dopamine Loop

Justin Joseph 25:52

some magnetic thing and it will not let you access those apps. Is that what you're telling me?

Katy Montgomery 25:56

I believe. Now, mind you, I've had this and I haven't followed through with setting it up.

Justin Joseph 26:00

But I think that's a second attack too. So you also I'm probably literally a brick. It's something that has nothing to do with this.

Katy Montgomery 26:09

It's not that big. I've also before had where I put it in um a time safe. Um, I did that some in Singapore during COVID, but that's more annoying because if you need to get into your email or if there's you know a work call, um, you know, you have to kind of override it. But I think this is the plan. And I'm just really interested in knowing, and you can either, you know, text us or send us an email at wrongwayforward at gmail, wrongwayforward podcast at gmail.com. Are you seeing that you have an issue with this? If so, what's the right way forward? Is it the wrong way forward to, you know, kind of limit? Um, and what are the potential, you know, positives and negatives of of taking this step?

Justin Joseph 26:52

And again, as Katie said, you can text us as 7202-5140450. Take the challenge with us. I guess I haven't committed to it yet. I need to investigate what this brick is. Um I will say this for me, my my issue is television news. I mean, I can watch television news r on on the loop, and during the election, I I I made the choice to turn it off, and I would I I knew that impacted me positively. And so for me, that's as um, when you talk about doom scrolling, that's as doom scrolling as um actually being on a social media app. So I will limit that as well with you. I'll join you on that. Um, and uh I'll take the pledge also once I figure out what this brick thing is.

Katy Montgomery 27:33

Good. And with that being said, you know, also, you know, we're open to anything else, any other fellow bedwetters out there. Um, you know, any kids who kind of, you know, ruled the neighborhood, anybody who actually thinks, you know, staying inside and kind of, you know, the the lonesome kind of path works for them. We'd love to hear from anyone and everyone. Um, and um and so just drop us an email or drop us a text.

Justin Joseph 27:59

And we're also gonna be looking at our top five moments from our 15 episodes of Wrong Way Forward. Um, if you have a favorite one, shoot us a text, let us know. Um, and we're gonna be recapping those, talking about those in um our final holiday episode of the year. So we'd love to hear from you on that as well.

Katy Montgomery 28:16

Awesome.

Justin Joseph 28:17

Thanks for listening, and we'll see you next week on next week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Bye, everybody. All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery 28:29

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Katy Montgomery 28:37

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Justin Joseph 28:43

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