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5. How to Lose Friends and Annoy Neighbors - Our Top Pet Peeves (Today)

• Katy Montgomery and Justin Joseph • Season 1 • Episode 5

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From political yard signs and spray-painted sidewalks to cloudy ice cubes, sidewalk hogs, and the tragic death of handwritten thank-you notes—Justin and Katy dive headfirst into the everyday pet peeves that feel like full-blown crimes against aesthetics.

In this episode, we unpack the habits, décor choices, and neighborhood “statements” that ruin the vibe. Why do some people think inflatables belong on every lawn? When did a lazy “thanks” text replace a handwritten note? And why does bad ice trigger Justin’s inner diva?

Along the way, we share personal stories, debate whether pet peeves are cultural or universal, and call out the tasteless trends that make us all cringe.

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Announcer:

She's Katy Montgomery, he's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. The advice column reboot. You never knew you needed Sparks fly, and so does the hilarity. Now here's Katy and Justin.

Katy Montgomery:

Hi and welcome to Episode 5 of Wrong Way Forward Podcast. My name is Katy Montgomery and I'm here with my best friend, justin Joseph Joseph, and today we're going to cover pet peeves and we're going to talk about why it's the wrong way forward that people are doing these things that are really irritating 100%, and our hope is that they don't just drive us nuts, but that maybe it's something that strikes a nerve with a lot of people. Yes, I mean, we'll see.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, exactly, and so what I love about pet peeves is what's interesting about them is no matter. I think a lot of it has to do with how you were raised things kind of your culture and environment but everybody has them and they're all different.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, I mean correct. So do you want to start or do you want me?

Justin Joseph:

to start. I think you should start.

Katy Montgomery:

So I'm going to start with something that could be potentially controversial. So I live in Washington DC and I do live in a neighborhood that I would say probably eight out of 10, maybe even nine out of 10 of us share the same political beliefs. But when I go home, I want respite, I want beauty, I want a well-manicured lawn. I want respite, I want beauty, I want a well-manicured lawn. I want to walk into my front door and, just you know, feel this kind of beautiful community and neighborhood. What I don't want to see are houses littered with political signs.

Announcer:

One way or the other.

Katy Montgomery:

One way or the other. I really don't care what the issue is, what the political party is, who the actual person is. I just don't want to see that mess and that lack of kind of a manicure cling long. I just want beauty, I just want aesthetics.

Justin Joseph:

I want to walk into the neighborhood and I want to see the birds chirping and the flowers blooming and I just want peace, and that's not surprising, just knowing you, I mean, for me what I'll say is you know, obviously I come from the gay community, or I don't come from that, but I'm part of that community. And I remember when I was younger we would do the gay pride thing and we were so proud and every we used to live on in a condo, a high rise that we would hang the flag at the start of gay pride weekend and when I woke up Monday morning I could not have ran to that balcony faster to take that thing down, because it's, you know, it's fun to make a statement and then you're like that's just not who I am.

Katy Montgomery:

Right, and again, I don't have an issue with the statement. In fact I think I'm a very, you know, politically, you know, opinionated person. The analogy that I would give is when I, you know, go to a condo at the beach. I don't want to see your towels hanging everywhere and all of your inflatables and all your rafts. I want to see beauty and pristine. I want peace, and the clutter and the mess and the mismatched signs and pool toys to me does not give me the sense of a respite, and my home is my respite.

Justin Joseph:

Can we also take a step back on that and talk about what the motivating factor is, or what we think the motivating factor is for people who want to post signs, like for me? Again, when we put up a gay pride flag, it was because at that moment we were proud, yes, and you know, looking back, I also realized that that flag can be divisive in some ways. Right or wrong can be divisive and you know, I just think as I got older, that's not who I wanted to be, but some people. It's important to them to make a statement and that's how they do it.

Katy Montgomery:

Correct, and actually the decisiveness doesn't bother me at all. I think that's one of the beauties about having an opinion and being in America and being able to, you know, talk about your opinion loud and proudly. I just think that in a neighborhood I don't want clunky looking stuff and, to give you an example, we had someone down the street and it was an eyesore for everyone. They took this one step further and they took a can of spray paint and they spray painted a message on sidewalk. So my first reaction is this is vandalism. My second reaction is you don't have neat handwriting and I can barely read, so at least find someone with good penmanship. But number three, it was like what is the marketing mindset behind this? This is, you know, it's not a major thoroughfare, it's not a busy street no-transcript have limited means of expressing their position.

Justin Joseph:

their property is one of them and, even though I think it offends some people, I can see it as a means of expression when you don't have a lot of other things going on.

Katy Montgomery:

Correct and it is a mean of expression. But if you do it, please do it in the most aesthetically pleasing way possible. And with good hand and with good hand yes.

Justin Joseph:

Now let's talk about what am I buying and we've talked about this on the show before bathroom paper. I think this has a lot to do with how I was raised and in my house you just didn't you at the dinner table there were four rules. You did not talk about the four d's dirt, death, disease or destruction. Now bathroom chamber is not one of four d's, but that was definitely awful. It's, yeah, wait, four d's gonna be.

Katy Montgomery:

I just want to take it back. You could not talk at dinner about destruction. What the hell does that mean?

Justin Joseph:

that means like you wouldn't talk about an earthquake in some place that caused destruction. I don't know. These are the 40s. These are my parents' rules. They were just the way it was. 40s in a day. Okay, so, and to this date, I can't talk about bathroom and I literally could not date someone who talked about bathroom.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, you know, to me that's not necessarily the wrong way forward. And I want to say, one of the most freeing things as an adult is is number two, and I guess if you you know what number three is right, I know what number one is number two is number.

Justin Joseph:

Three is a combination of the oh my, that's about the number, do not.

Katy Montgomery:

This is the wrong way for but I want to say, being 51 years old, right, it's about number, because sometimes you have it and it's horrible and you need to have compassion.

Justin Joseph:

So you really are talking about.

Katy Montgomery:

I'm just saying that as I got older and being so prim and proper maybe when I was younger it's nice to finally to be able to talk about my stomach hurts. I'm having these issues.

Justin Joseph:

I guess that's different when you're talking about it from a medical perspective. These issues.

Katy Montgomery:

I think that's different when you're talking about it from a medical perspective.

Justin Joseph:

No, I literally can talk to you about something barely touching that realm and you literally lose your mind. Yeah, I do, but you don't have that much of a brand to stand on because you won't say the F-I-R-T word. You have a different word for it.

Katy Montgomery:

You know what that makes it similar. Say the word I don't want to.

Justin Joseph:

Not the F-A-R-T word, the other word.

Katy Montgomery:

Diarrhea.

Justin Joseph:

No, the P word. I don't know what. I can't even say it because it's not a real word. Oh poop.

Katy Montgomery:

Poop is a good, so you hate that number too? No, I actually think it's pretty funny. I'm just saying that it's like your reaction to it. The right way forward is being comfortable enough with the people you're around to be able to talk about those medical issues.

Justin Joseph:

Let me tell you we're not talking about medical issues. We're talking about if you're a dinner ticket. So does that mean you need to go take a number two?

Katy Montgomery:

No, my question is this and I have my last sibling. I'm one of four kids, the last sibling that's turning 45. A regular topic of conversation has been have you scheduled your colonoscopy? That's totally different, yes, but everyone I know who talks about the colonoscopy talks about what's involved to having colonoscopy. And that's when you talk about number three.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, I think it's time to go into number three, pet peeve, and get on number two.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, well then I am going to give you a pet peeve. That's going to make me sound so old-fashioned. Is that possible? I am really sick to death of people not writing a thank you note, and I'm particularly upset that younger people aren't doing it. There was something to be said about when you graduated, or after your birthday or after Christmas. Your mother or father would sit you down and you weren't able to do something of note. And now this passing thank you text. I think it is creating more of a sense of entitlement, a real lack of gratitude, and I think people are losing the art of writing a note. And I just had a dear friend visit me and it was just such a pleasant and lovely surprise to get a handwritten note in the mail.

Justin Joseph:

Why do you think that is? Because it involves someone's effort and time and the personalization of actually handwriting something.

Katy Montgomery:

I think it's that. I think they don't know what to say. I think that they have gotten out of the habit of understanding. It's more than thank you for X. To actually writea letter, you have to fill the card, you have to have three or four sentences, and the more you do it, it's a skill. If you don't use it, you lose it, and I think it's something that I'm sad that it's going away. But I'm also particularly sad it's going away Because, first of all, people get married and they send a gift. I understand life happens. I don't know if you've received it right, so I need to have confirmation of that. Number one, because I don't want you to think I'm tacky and didn't say something Exactly.

Justin Joseph:

I know nothing about you. I know that.

Katy Montgomery:

There we go. Number two I think it's such a lovely gesture. And number three I think it's something that's really important to learn professionally, and and and how to differentiate yourself in the market. It really is the wrong way forward that we are not seeing thank you notes being written pretty much across the board, but particularly in the younger generation.

Justin Joseph:

I don't disagree, and I think the fact that if you take that extra step, it sets you apart. I think that's the number one point. Yes, yeah, I realize that a lot of children don't do it, but if you want to stand out, it's a real easy way to stand out in a professional situation, in a personal situation. We only have a few uh, a few seconds left in the segment. Let's just do a quick fire right of what bob is shooting, okay, um, slow drivers, mediocre drivers, get out of my way. I have some place to go and I need to get there um, and I haven't driven with justin for the last few days.

Katy Montgomery:

Drivers who are incredibly impatient and might be kind of crazy behind the wheel drives me crazy.

Justin Joseph:

What about you?

Katy Montgomery:

Quickfire, quickfire. I think something that drives me crazy is I do a lot of walking and I think that you should walk facing the oncoming traffic and the person, and it drives me crazy when there's two people at opposite directions on a sidewalk and they don't understand that, or if people are walking in a group and they don't understand the step aside. It should be two single file lines. You don't own the side love it, my ice.

Justin Joseph:

I'm a huge. I say it's one of my only diva qualities. I need good ice. It has to be see-through. When I get a diet coke, if there's, if it turns to that fuzz, I want to vomit. And then if you make me a dream and you don't fill up to the brim with ice and bring me six ice cubes, I want to throw it in your face.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, that's a very intense reaction to ice and when you said ice at first I thought you were going to talk about the political topic in hand, so that kind of threw me for a loop. I think what really driving me crazy is I live in a neighborhood in DC that has brought some great restaurants and some casual restaurants Litter, I mean. You know, I was born in 1974. I remember the crying Indian. I remember, you know, smokey the Bear. I remember that kind of environmental sense like do not litter, and it's become a big joke. My nephew and I go around, we do not litter and it's become a big joke. My nephew and I go around, we pick up litter and I love that this little five-year-old has become so outraged by litter and you can't stay on top of it. It's like people don't care anymore. Use the public trash can. They're on every block.

Justin Joseph:

All right, when we come back, we're going to talk about one of the things I think we both agree upon. When we come back, we're going to talk about one of the things I think we both agree upon and we're going to give a teaser and not tell what it is. One of our biggest pet peeves is giving up who you are to be with someone that is that important to give a piece of yourself. That's our teaser. It's a very famous couple. We're going to talk about that. On the other side, when we come back, we'll be right back with Wrong Way Forward.

Speaker 5:

Stay tuned every Thursday for new episodes.

Katy Montgomery:

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Speaker 5:

Now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin podcast.

Katy Montgomery:

Hi and welcome back to the Wrong Way Forward podcast. Justin did a little teasing and I want to say I don't necessarily agree with what he's going to say in this next block. But I'm going to pass it over to Justin to kind of tee this up and give some context.

Justin Joseph:

Because today we're talking, of course, about pet peeves. What drives us nuts? I went to the break thinking that we agreed that this is the wrong way forward, but apparently we don't. So this has really bothered me since last year, and I've had some really good spirited fights with friends of mine about this.

Katy Montgomery:

Fights, so that means usually a disagreement.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, and I always think I'm right about this, and I will say this before we play this clip I had the wrong. I would have bet money that a year later I would not be talking about this because it would be over. But I was wrong. So I'll start there.

Speaker 4:

I'm going to play the clip he's just a vibe booster in everyone's life that he's in. He's like a human exclamation point. I all lost this podcast uh, this podcast about my boyfriend, ever since trump's decided to use it as his personal dating app about two years ago. So it was such a wild romantic gesture to just be like I want to date you. This dude didn't get a meet and greet. He's making it everyone's problem.

Justin Joseph:

Vomit. Okay, so obviously we're talking about trap. Do they have a name, a blended name, yet?

Katy Montgomery:

I mean, if they do, I have no idea.

Justin Joseph:

I have no idea either, but it'll be coming if they don't. But I was one of these people who thought this would never last. I also want to give. Before we set it up, he had his worst game of his career. I shouldn't say that because I don't know that. I know that the chiefs lost. They never lose. Last monday this is after his big engagement and his this big whirlwind, this podcast. His job is football. That's what his passion was. We don't give that up because we have fallen in love. It is the minute it is. It is in masculine thoughts.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, thoughts Number one is it's very typical for a male to blame the woman for the lack of performance.

Speaker 4:

So, that's.

Katy Montgomery:

That's the vibe I was getting. I think it's a very convenient excuse to say he has had one bad performance at the game and it happens to coincide to a timing close to his engagement. I do not think that there is causation. I do not think that that's very clear. I think the other thing that it is very easy and what most people do is something called splitting good and evil Right. Coaching moment. I think you're splitting.

Justin Joseph:

I think that travis can be a fantastic husband, deliriously in love, and an amazing football player and I think that um this, that he is setting a bad example for their future children, that he has surrendered, in my opinion, his surrendered his identity as a football player to be her bitch. That's tough, but that's how I feel and it's a pet peeve.

Katy Montgomery:

I mean, I'm very rarely at a loss for words, but I thought that was an incredibly severe, inaccurate and, frankly, disgusting summary of that. I think why are you going to say that she's his bitch, you know? Why can't he, you know, be in love and be a great football player? And why is it that you expect him to be solely dedicated to one thing? You know he's not that much younger than his brother. He's closer to retirement than he is in starting his career. He's at an age I want to say they're 35. So they're at an age where they're not stretching it too much for children. I mean, what do you want them to do? Get to a point where he's picking up some you know young thing on the side so he can actually have children. Maybe he wants to be a young and productive and engaged dad. I think that's probably Justin, and this is hard because I have a very long laundry list. That might be one of the most obnoxious things I've ever heard.

Justin Joseph:

Well, obviously it's not surprising I disagree with you. I think what he's doing is the wrong way forward. His passion was football. That's what made him who he is, and I feel like that is now second to being Taylor's fiance.

Katy Montgomery:

But he's 35. Like, how long can your passion as a football player? He can still have a passion for football. He can coach, he can host, he could be a commentator. You know and also you. That's not fair. He could have a passion for his Beyonce. He can have a passion for his foundation. He can have a passion for his future children. All of those things can be true, and they can all be true at once, and I don't think that's where he is.

Justin Joseph:

And this has struck a nerve in our listeners, because I'm getting emails right in love, just that. Here's one Did Travis go from tight end to Taylor's plus one overnight? My answer is yes. On game day he's moving to chains. The rest of the week he's moving through photo ops. I'm pro love, as we both are, but when your route tree gets replaced by red carpet, you look less like a chief and more like a brand collab right now and I think, to be completely honest, I think this is sexism 101.

Katy Montgomery:

I do not think you know. No one is saying that like taylor is compromising her ability to write, perform and produce but she's not.

Justin Joseph:

That's my point. She's not compromised anything, she's still taylor swift. This is she's going to get the light that she always wanted and envisioned, and good for her.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, he's going to get the light that she envisioned for him see, and I think those are a lot of assumptions, and I think also, I do not think that we would be doing this if, let's say, venus Williams decided to marry, you know, bruce Springsteen, I couldn't think of.

Justin Joseph:

Well I mean. But the point is, I guess my problem is I just am such a strong believer in two. People have to bring their uniqueness to a relationship and they have to maintain those identities to make a relationship work. There is a day when he will be resentful of her for giving up what he's giving up for her.

Katy Montgomery:

In my opinion, Well, guess what I mean? You know, we know this. There's only a few people, I think you know. Like Frank Sinatra you know there were a few other people the voice actually declines over age, the singing voice Also. You cannot play football forever, but he's going to have to pivot, she's eventually probably going to have to pivot.

Katy Montgomery:

And I think the other thing that you're not giving credit for is when you are worth billions of dollars, when you're a household name where you have major brand partnerships. Maybe the thing that brings them the closest together is that they are dealing with the pressures of being number one at the top of their own industries, and maybe that's a huge common bond that brings them together.

Justin Joseph:

My problem is is he she's going to wake up one day and he's not? He's emasculated in mind what his actions have emasculated him and she's going to wake up and say I'm dating a wet noodle. I am not excited about that and it can be a deal breaker.

Katy Montgomery:

Golly Justin, I kind of want to puke. This is really uncomfortable.

Justin Joseph:

All right, when we come back, our favorite segment, can we talk about this? This was sort of but it kind of ran in between the two Can we talk about? We're also going to talk about viewer emails from last week. Our hot topic last week was relationship advice and apparently we're talking about it again, because here we go.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, I'm thinking you don't do what they're doing, but they are there, we go. When we're back we'll talk about the email responses to relationship deal breakers.

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Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin podcast and welcome back to Wrong Way Forward. Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katy and Justin podcast.

Justin Joseph:

And welcome back to Wrong Way Forward. This week we're talking about the pet peeves that everybody has. We'd love to hear yours. Those are coming in on your email. We've talked about a few of them. In the last segment we talked about Travis and Taylor, because everyone is talking about that right now. You can't go anywhere without that being a topic of conversation. Usually, this is our third segment where we talk about can we talk about this? But last week's topic on relationships was so divisive that we've gotten so many emails. We're going to talk about what our viewers have said and our responses to them.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, so last week we talked about kind of relationship deal breakers and the example was a woman who had had two great dates with someone, but on the third one he showed up with too much cologne hair gel and tied white jeans.

Justin Joseph:

And you just literally pissed off our white jeans. Too much cologne and hair gel viewership, so they're out.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, they're out, but the thing about it is they have to have all three. I think all three is what sent her over the edge, but the context is that we talked about it factor, you know, is it too superficial? Can you get beyond this? Are you a horrible person if you can't get past this in dating and relationships?

Justin Joseph:

And does the it factor change as you age? Because maybe there's a point where you have less of an it factor because you want to have babies and as you get older, because you're okay being alone, maybe that it factor goes down a little bit, up a little bit because you really are very particular. Yes, yes. So, not surprising, our viewers found support for me and I'm sure you have some that found support for you. So I'll start as I always do. Justin's right I love when an email starts like this this is Jana from Chicago. Justin's right Cologne, plus hair gel, plus tight white jeans. Is a data point, Katy, not a destiny. It's a data point, not a destiny, Katy. You crown the ick is real, which I love, like it's universal law, then pretended aesthetics don't matter, while confessing you still cringe at 51. She's got a good insider. You literally proved Justin's point that preferences are valid but they still need logic to sort signal from noise. Team Justin, gut and data.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I'd like to one-up yours because she said you were right. But you know I have a listener email that says Katy is 100% right. That's okay. The ick is real and not something you can ignore. You know when you feel it, and it makes perfect sense that as you get older, you're less willing to compromise on things that genuinely turn you off.

Justin Joseph:

Well, I agree with that point.

Katy Montgomery:

And the pocket watch story was so relatable. That's a classic case of ick and it's okay to feel that way.

Justin Joseph:

I do not disagree with this view. That proved my point. As you get older, your ick factor goes up and you can be more choosy because you're having to be alone. That doesn't mean that, um, that you know, some of these things that we talked about weren't valid feelings.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, Okay. Well, I want to hear what else you know.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, so I got this one also. Uh, Katy insists she wants to be bigger than that, as she often does. Um, then admits that a vest makes your one eye under a table, justin, but you're not. That's exactly what I said Brutal and accurate. You can aspire to be chill about aesthetics, but your actual standards are the ones running your days. I agree Justin's day. Acknowledge preferences openly and stop punishing yourself and him for happiness.

Katy Montgomery:

So it's very interesting because I'm wondering if this is a couple that responded to us, because I just got that version and directly on point to that is this is Mark C, so it's actually a man who's agreeing with me. I disagree with Justin on this one. It's easy for him to say just be honest, but that's not how it works in the real world. Katy's point about not wanting to be a bitch by criticizing his aesthetic choices shows maturity. It's about being generous and giving someone a chance, but sometimes the attraction just isn't there and that's nobody's fault.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, and I agree with that last statement. Sometimes the attraction's not there, but I feel less like that's gonna have to do with the stopwatch. Well, I guess it does have to do with-.

Katy Montgomery:

It's not a stopwatch.

Justin Joseph:

It's not a stock watch, it's a pocket watch. It's the same thing.

Katy Montgomery:

It's completely different. It's the 1920s. A pocket watch is attached to you With a chain.

Justin Joseph:

With a chain, what if it was a 14-carat bolt gauge? Chain that reminds me when I met you in college that first week you wore a chain and I remember I did tell you at one point justin now you pissed off all of our chain work, which is like half the time.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, chains are coming back for men, mostly baseball players. But I was like justin get rid of that gold chain yeah, that's your son.

Justin Joseph:

I have the gold chain upstairs, but you you stopped wearing it.

Justin Joseph:

No I probably wear it tonight oh but, um, you know, I think it's just interesting because in the end it's all in the eye of the beholder. I mean, it is, I'm with you. I wouldn't want someone I was dating. If Josh ever walked out of the bedroom with a pocket watch, I would rip it and throw it as far as I could. But, like I said, you call it a Zuko suit. Is that what you called it? A Zuko suit? A suit suit, a suit suit. If the band was odd and didn't have a hair gel, it would be a seersucker. So it's the same thing.

Katy Montgomery:

That is so again once again factually incorrect, I do think for the readers.

Speaker 4:

We need a button. We do.

Katy Montgomery:

I think for the readers, excuse me or the listeners, we need to have a picture of someone in a zoot suit next to someone in a seersucker suit. I mean, it's not even close.

Justin Joseph:

I'll have the team put it up at the end. Okay, do that. I think that would be fantastic, but since I'm controlling that, they're going to look real, real close. You're going to be real wrong on this one. All right, no more viewer emails. So we're at five episodes in.

Katy Montgomery:

What have you thought so far? I'm having a great time and again really want to thank everyone who's joined us, the numbers, because the numbers keep increasing. It's really exciting that we're in more than 80 cities, yeah, and that people are joining us. And again, we would love to hear from you. We don't want to keep the advice just here, so if you could please send any emails, comments, questions, any kind of wrong advice or when you're seeing the wrong way forward, it's wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmailcom.

Justin Joseph:

Or if you just want our take on it, you got a Southern Southern bell, if you will.

Speaker 4:

I mean maybe.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, and again, sort of conservative I hate calling myself that because I really am not, but I tend to see the world through those eyes more, even though I'm a gay person.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, those two. Those two things can exist at once too.

Justin Joseph:

And frequently it's we just see the world differently there. Frequently we just see the world differently.

Katy Montgomery:

There we go, and also we'd love to. If you haven't followed yet, please hit the follow button, and if you're enjoying your time with us, please give us a review. We'd really appreciate it.

Justin Joseph:

And, of course, we're always streaming Thursday mornings with new episodes of Wrong Way Forward. We're taking on the week's hottest advice. So, like Katy said, give us a like and a follow. We'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward. Give us a like and a follow. We'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward. Thanks everybody, thank you All right.

Speaker 5:

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