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2. Do Your Drop the L-Word? Our Take

• Katy Montgomery and Justin Joseph • Season 1 • Episode 2

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2. Bold Moves, Bad Advice & the Baseball Fiasco 


Katy and Justin toast their recording marathon and put Amy Poehler’s “just tell him you like him” advice on the stand—especially the line, “What’s the worst that could happen?” They argue for boldness with due diligence, swap hilarious stories (including a “raw dogging” mix-up), read listener mail about the restaurant/wine showdown, and spar over the viral Philly foul-ball incident—graceful de-escalation vs. standing your ground.

  • Recording week vibes + college throwbacks set a punchy tone.
  • Advice on trial: Poehler’s “shoot your shot” gets balanced with safety, context, and reciprocity checks.
  • Due diligence 101: Look for signals (banter, second looks, shared jokes); use low-risk approaches before big confessions.
  • Definition detour: The on-air “raw dogging” misunderstanding becomes instant podcast lore.
  • Mailbox Mondays: Justin’s old-school code-number crush system as a gentler way to express interest.
  • Age & dating: How risk, resilience, and values shift from middle school to your 50s.
  • Not alone—on her own”: Why independence isn’t a failure (SJP line gets a nod).
  • Listener mail: Principles vs. table peace in the cheap wine debate.
  • Philly foul-ball saga: Justin = keep the ball and the boundary; Katy = de-escalate and model grace.
  • Be bold—after evidence gathering, with consent, and clear off-ramps.

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Announcer:

She's Katy Montgomery, he's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. The advice column reboot. You never knew you needed Sparks fly, and so does the hilarity. Now here's Katie and Justin.

Katy Montgomery:

So, justin, it's episode two.

Justin Joseph:

Episode two great accomplishment.

Katy Montgomery:

Great accomplishment Wrong Way Forward. We celebrated and I'm going to be honest, because I can't be anything but honest we went and had three drinks at lunch.

Justin Joseph:

So let's just tell the whole story. So we decided when we were going to do this we're going to come in town and shoot the first five episodes together.

Katy Montgomery:

Correct and it has really been so much fun. It takes me back to our college days and we have moved up a little bit in the world we used to eat at.

Justin Joseph:

Chili's yeah 100%.

Katy Montgomery:

And now we're at Hillsnug.

Justin Joseph:

And I would have to eat at his for days and you also have a side of blue cheese. And gained like 20,000 dollars in college. What do they call it? Freshman 20?

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, but we used to call you tight cages.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, I really did fill out every shit. I mean, I filled out everything too, and as a gay person like looks matter, but for some reason in college I didn't care. Now I would die if I built those pants.

Katy Montgomery:

Would you yeah?

Justin Joseph:

Yes, would you not?

Katy Montgomery:

I mean I did in college when you wore them.

Justin Joseph:

So we had a few drinks of lunch.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, we weren't supposed to we were supposed to. We're supposed to have one, yeah, and then one became two and two became three.

Justin Joseph:

And so here we are with our second episode of Wrong Way Forward.

Katy Montgomery:

Wrong Way Forward.

Justin Joseph:

And we're going to talk about this week's advice. I'm going to read a few viewer emails from our last episode.

Katy Montgomery:

It's pretty funny the feedback that we're getting.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah and I feel like it's way more critical of you than me, but we'll get there Really.

Katy Montgomery:

I don't know. I really thought that you were going to be the most hated man in America.

Justin Joseph:

Well, that's going to take like 10 episodes.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, well, let me do that. We're very, we're very gold-throated.

Justin Joseph:

So this week we're going to take on the advice of literally one of the most beloved people in Hollywood, would you agree? I mean, I, I've read her book, I follow her, I want to be her, I want her to be one of my best friends, I want to be in her posse. So I'm feeling a about her advice. It was. This advice is literally from. It's got 72 000 views. It's literally I. I think when I looked at it the first time. It's from. Give me a second here. It is from day 12 years ago, so this is before she was even a thing no, she was a thing I mean years ago.

Katy Montgomery:

yes, I mean amy pulver's pretty amazing y'all. I mean like she was a co-host of you know the news segment on Saturday Night Live. She had Parks and Recreation and so and I want to be fair to her, this was a really great idea was to give young girls kind of who were moving into kind of adulthood and going through those kind of awkward years, some advice. It was like smart advice for smart girls.

Justin Joseph:

No, I don't disagree with you in the slightest, but I think, watching this for 12 years, she wasn't nearly as big as she is now. I mean 12 years, I guarantee you. She was just on Saturday Night Live. So my point in this is she wasn't out bright. She's giving out advice. That alone is wrongly forward, as you and I are perceiving about advice.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, exactly For us, because here is Oprah and I don't think the camera goes as low as I can possibly go to where we are in getting advice.

Justin Joseph:

Those are what the viewer emails I'm about to read pretty much sets up for Blaster's advice. All right, so let's stop by talking about Amy Puller's advice from last week.

Speaker 4:

Hi, welcome to Ask Amy. This question does not have a name but it says I really like this guy, we have a lot in common, but I don't think he knows about my feelings. I'm sort of shy, but I want to be with him. What?

Justin Joseph:

do I do. All right, so let's stop there and just set up the premise of the question first. Why are you asking Amy Puller this? You want me to stick it up, amy.

Katy Montgomery:

Poehler, this you want me to stick it up. Well, I mean, I think the bigger question is this poor thing can't even create a fake name for her question.

Justin Joseph:

There's no name attached to it. There's not, so.

Katy Montgomery:

I think everyone's out of their realm just giving advice.

Justin Joseph:

And, furthermore, the name of this is Amy Poehler Smarbrills, because she's about to make a girl locked up with this answer.

Katy Montgomery:

Justin, I kind of hate that response. I'm like as a girl and I just don't think that everybody loves smart girls. I think it is great that she was helping smart girls.

Justin Joseph:

We can agree on that. But literally the whole reason we chose this advice is because we both thought what dumb advice.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, but smart people can ask for dumb advice.

Justin Joseph:

No, I'm not commenting on the girlhood, I've asked you for advice before. Yeah, and it's always been brilliant. Here we go Setting up a puller's response to the question. I really like this guy. What do I do?

Speaker 4:

Amy's response is Well, my advice to you would be to tell him that you like him.

Justin Joseph:

Do you want to stop there or do you want to hear?

Katy Montgomery:

more. I think we should be fair and share everything.

Justin Joseph:

Because the initial is like that's just not the right answer across the board. But let's hear what she says. Life is short and go for it, why not? What's the worst that can happen? I mean, let's just apply that singular piece of advice to any broad spectrum. What's the worst that can happen to a million?

Katy Montgomery:

She could be made fun of, she could be catfished. It could go on social media, she could be bullied. She could be bullied. She could be stuck in her locker for the rest of you know, eternity. She could literally never want to go back to school again.

Justin Joseph:

So could we never in this whole podcast, whether it last, next week and it's over, or next year, can we never, ever say what's the worst that could happen. Because that is the worst advice ever and the broadway forward to ever say what's the worst that could happen.

Katy Montgomery:

I mean I'm not ready yet to commit Justin because, who knows? I mean there's a lot of bad advice out there, but what's the worst that could happen? That's the least of our worries. I mean, I think, first of all, being attorneys is where's the due diligence here? Ooh, say more. Well, I mean when I was. I'm going to go parking back to like seventh and eighth grade, and this was before you know texting and cell phones.

Announcer:

We wrote notes.

Katy Montgomery:

paper notes and paper notes could be found, yeah, and they could be spread and passed and photocopied and you're talking about, like where it's like, do you like me check yes or check no? Or even if I was writing a best friend a note, I'd be like, oh my gosh number 50 looks so cute today number 50 yes, I don't get it number 50 number 50 was the code word for richard upchurch. I hope you're not listening in seventh and eighth grade because I was?

Justin Joseph:

you just have to say is richard upchurch listening? Why didn't you be number 50?

Katy Montgomery:

he was number 50 in my notes, so if anyone ever found the note, there could be no trace and no connection, and so what I could do is do some due diligence, have some conversations, figure out a few things. I think going in is the new term brawl Don't look at. I don't know what that term is. Do you actually know what that is? Those are those people who get on the airplanes and like, don't read a book and they don't watch a movie and they just sit in their their seat for like eight hours.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, can we just run that by the chat gbt um truth test, because I don't think that's raw dogging by chat gbt is? It refers to having six. You're raw dogging on air.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, I want to literally. I just can we stop recording? Now the point did you not hear about people raw dogging on these flights?

Justin Joseph:

I don't well go ahead. No, I know what you're talking to. This is not on the rundown. Raw dogging does not appear on the rundown.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, my point is is that before you do something bold?

Speaker 5:

Before you're a hotdog.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, oh God, Now I don't ever want. Don't ever use the tone again. Justin, Don't Remember I'm Southern. People will listen in Mississippi.

Justin Joseph:

You used the RD word.

Katy Montgomery:

But I didn't know what R. I thought RD meant getting on a plane and not reading a book or watching a movie. For real, wait for real. I don't like that. For real, okay. My point is this is that before you do something bold, you've got to do your homework and there has to be a little of you know, due diligence and kind of get the lay of the land before you go so bold, love it.

Justin Joseph:

How do you say that to a fifth grader or a third grader who wants to ask this question? She doesn't know what DD is.

Katy Montgomery:

She doesn't know what.

Justin Joseph:

Ron Logan is I mean, I hope not. But how does a third grader, or for any matter?

Katy Montgomery:

So first of all, we're not a third grader reaching out. Let's at least get into the realm of where we're not in uncomfortable zones. Okay, let's say middle school. Let's say we're talking about kind of seventh, eighth grade, okay. Okay, I think if a seventh or eighth grader came up to me and said I like someone, I'd be like that's fantastic. Let's walk through what are potential things that you're seeing where it might be reciprocated.

Justin Joseph:

So give me an example what that would look like a second, look a somebody lunch um having conversations.

Katy Montgomery:

Is there banter or their jokes? Do you have something special between you? You know what does chemistry look like. I think that's what's interesting about the advice is I don't have any problem with women being bold and putting out.

Justin Joseph:

Have you ever been bold and put out what you wanted with a guy?

Justin Joseph:

absolutely not, but I'm 51 and single and like this would be a great setup for um when we come back. So there was a gay version of this exact advice and when I came out at 24, there was literally something called mailbox mondays, where you've got to do these due diligence that you're talking about and put yourself out there. We're going to talk about that and how that applies to anyone who may be looking for their next person and want to not raw dog. We'll talk about all that when we get back. We'll be right back.

Katy Montgomery:

You've been listening to Wrong Way Forward, where bad advice goes to die and then gets resurrected, just so we can roast it again.

Speaker 5:

That's right, katie. Nobody's off limits not the gurus, not the influencers, and definitely not Oprah.

Katy Montgomery:

Sorry, Oprah.

Speaker 5:

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Katy Montgomery:

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Speaker 5:

Now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin podcast.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, I'll just be honest the raw dog, raw doggy, the raw doggy. On camera. You didn't know what raw doggy was.

Katy Montgomery:

The raw dog. These days, travelers have all kinds of options to keep them entertained. They're in a flight. Netflix will fly, so in this golden age, the trend is called raw dog in a flight. It usually means forgoing any flight perks. No inflate entertainment, no snacks or beverages from the courts.

Justin Joseph:

You didn't get beverage so you did not know?

Katy Montgomery:

raw dog was sex without a condom well, how did you not know that raw dog wasn't happening on flights?

Justin Joseph:

and we're back and thank you for getting that outtake. We usually wait for our commercial break, but I put katie there because she literally said to me we're waiting for our camera. Raw dogging really means sex without a condom and I was like you gotta be kidding me. You don't know that, but I want to justin.

Katy Montgomery:

This is what drives me crazy about you. I was not talking about the term raw dogging. I was talking about the viral trend of viral. That's gross when I'm talking about raw dogging, but now that I know what it means. But raw dogging on flights which is not taking advantage of any of the in-flight amenities. You can't have a. You can't have a gender l you can't watch movies.

Justin Joseph:

I I maybe that's right, but chat gpt and justin joseph do not agree. I I raw, Raw Dog. Youtube has always had a very sexual and again, I didn't know that that was the exact definition, but it's not like they had a very sexual never was involved with Netflix and United Airlines.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, it does now, justin, and so your aunt played it now.

Justin Joseph:

All right. So, coming back, we're talking about bad advice, we're talking about Amy Poehler. She got a lovely question from who knows how old this girl was, but the question was I like this guy, do I tell him an Amy Poehler's nice? And I said, yeah, put it all out there, and we both think that's the right way forward.

Katy Montgomery:

So you mentioned when you came out at 24, there was a service.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, because back in those days, things like online apps were just coming out and so if you were literally write down, you type on number 51 or whatever. Richard, whatever his name was, Upchurch we still clearly have issues.

Katy Montgomery:

No, I don't at all.

Justin Joseph:

I don't at all you remember his name, you remember his number. That's weird.

Katy Montgomery:

It was two years in seventh, eighth grade and wrote his number down by the pens.

Justin Joseph:

Obviously been impactful. So if my Richard Upchurch number 15 would have come along at the nightclub, you would write to number 15, it would go to mailbox and they had a remember the projectors, screen projectors, yeah, and they put number 15, they brought all the numbers who had mailbox, who had a note, and that person would go up and read the note and it'd be like I think you're cute.

Announcer:

That's kind of awesome.

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, you're wearing a pink shirt. It's cute. I can't describe. No, I mean you're like, you're raw dog okay, I okay.

Katy Montgomery:

I just want for the YouTube because, thank god, most people are listening to this on Spotify. I asked him about this shirt and everyone who knows me knows that I do not put anything out there. I am a good girl from Mississippi and I am not you said raw dog been on air for the first.

Justin Joseph:

The second episode.

Katy Montgomery:

Justin, it's about the travel trip.

Justin Joseph:

So anyway, back to mailbox Mondays. I think that's part of the due diligence. If I was attractive I probably could see that first amount about. I could have mailbox Monday then. And if you didn't write back to number 12 or whatever sad number, I was probably number two because I was the same person before. If number two didn't come up, on the screen maybe number one. Maybe I was first in line. Yes, then you knew you had done any due diligence and he was not interested yeah.

Katy Montgomery:

So I think there is a little bit to be said about before the bold gestures. Let's do a little, you know kind of you know evidence gathering and kind of get an idea. And also, isn't there something to be said about? Isn't there a way to say I like you without saying I like you?

Justin Joseph:

so let me I think that's great let's talk about, because we're gonna have listeners of all ages is there a difference between, if you're, let's say, grade school, high school, versus 20 to 30 versus 50? This does doing your due diligence mean different things to different natives.

Katy Montgomery:

I think so right. I mean, and I think when you are in, or what I remember in seventh and eighth grade is it was constant. I mean you were in school 40 hours a week, you know, and that's not including after school activities and dances and seeing people at church, and all the weekends you are constantly involved in that.

Justin Joseph:

Do you have any stories you remember from those grades that were traumatizing? I mean, obviously I do, I wouldn't be leaving church.

Katy Montgomery:

I mean of course traumatizing, but I also remember things that I would think now of putting myself out there.

Katy Montgomery:

Such as Such as you know, I was raised a Catholic. My best friend was a baptist and they would have these weekend events, called disciple now, and they were so much fun and you would go to like a family would host all of the seventh graders and all the seventh graders at a particular church can invite a friend and I just remember being so excited to go because you're all staying in the same house, it's boys and girls. It's like the age of a lock-in. Did you ever go to a lock-in? Oh, it's where they locked you in the gym and you were all there together and it was overnight. It was exciting, but I remember going and they had this kind of affirmation piece and I remember affirming Richard Upchurch because I wanted to affirm everything he did.

Justin Joseph:

Really, what was it about him? Because I'll tell you my story. I remember the first time I ever thought I may be gay is I remember my mom had sent us to CCD Catholic yes, continuing education in Catholic and I was, all of you know, eight years old and there was this high schooler student who coordinated it or you know were there. Yeah, they run everything and I just had such a crush on yeah, so clearly this is your.

Katy Montgomery:

He was by richard up church yeah, but you were eight, I was 13. What difference does that make? Because an eight-year-old shouldn't have a crush on a 13, 14 year old.

Justin Joseph:

You never had a crush when you were eight years old.

Katy Montgomery:

I mean I did, but I'm like let's use another example okay, let's but my point is is that, uh, we went through and did affirmations and I affirmed him, and so it was to get kind of you, affirmed him yeah, I mean no what is richard up church during this day?

Justin Joseph:

we'll probably have to edit out his name. All right, what's already doing are you are?

Katy Montgomery:

you, you know what I I really you know for a while he was making some kind of music boxes, but I don't really have an idea well, here's the tease.

Justin Joseph:

We have richard upchurch on the line. Let's go.

Katy Montgomery:

No, I'm kidding, yeah, no but my point is is that there's little things that you can do to kind of get some kind of confirmation. Let's also justin talk about this. We are you're gonna be 52 soon. Yeah, I'll be 51 six months later, 52 six months later, excuse me as that. We didn't have social media, we didn't have these sites, we didn't have email, we didn't have all of these ways. And you know we've just talked about this famous netflix documentary that just came out about catfishing and how an actual parent catfished her own daughter and it's like. So I think there has to be some level of protection there before you might be so emboldened, you know, because you know people can be cruel and it is so much easier to be cruel online and anonymous than it is in person.

Justin Joseph:

And let's also expand that to our 40 year old listeners, who are literally doing the same thing. People can still be cruel, but it's a different level of due diligence that you do. I mean, I think at that age the guards are up.

Katy Montgomery:

And I actually would argue differently I think at lunch we were talking about this is that at 50, you become more set in your ways and your value system is a little bit more defined and you know what you like and don't like, and so it might be easier to actually be very emboldened and say I like or don't like you, and you also have built resilience through experiencing failure at that point. So the hurt or the consequences aren't as extreme.

Justin Joseph:

And I love that we talked about at lunch and I love everybody's feedback on this. When you're young, well, when you're young you probably are 95-5. You want 95 perfection, maybe get 5%. When you're in your 30s it goes to maybe 80-20 because you're starting to lay your guard down. But what's really interesting, I think about the continuum as you get older it does go back to 95-5 because you're okay being alone, agree or disagree.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, and I want to stress that the word's not alone. It's like you know at a certain age that you've developed really great friendships with your siblings and your parents, you've developed it with coworkers and other people, and you are. You are not alone. And that's one thing that really bothers me is this general assumption that's putting, it's the concept of splitting, putting in like black or white. It's like you're either alone or you're attached, whereas there are some people who are attached and are incredibly alone, and there are some people who are alone and are incredibly, you know, engaged and and have a sense of community and I think that, um, I think this.

Justin Joseph:

You know I don't want to get into pop culture too much, but, um, and Just Like that, which was widely panned, did you watch them? Just like that, I did all the season Widely panned, and I think you know that was for my generation. I watched all of them.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah.

Justin Joseph:

I thought it caught its wind in this last year, but I really think the way they ended it was remarkable, even though, again, they caught a ton of bad criticism. She said in the end, I think the last line was she was not alone, she was on her own, and I thought that was really impactful.

Katy Montgomery:

Agreed, agreed, and I think kind of going back to kind of Amy Poehler's advice is a nice piece of advice to have been is do your due diligence. If you feel comfortable, based on kind of the evidence you've taken in, you can go ahead and say this. But if it doesn't work out, it's not what's exactly what Sarah Jessica Parker says in that very last line and I'd love you just to repeat that again.

Justin Joseph:

The line was she was not alone, she was on her own.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, and so being on your own is not a negative. That would have been a nice kind of you know. Footnote to Amy Polder's advice.

Justin Joseph:

So when we come back, we're going to talk about two things Every segment, every third segment in our show we're going to talk. There's a segment literally called can we talk about them? Yes, we're going to talk about something could be doesn't have to be advice, just be is something that we need to talk about. So we're going to do that in segment three of our show, but first we're going to revisit last episode and, for those of you who may have listened, it was the restaurant episode where katie had very different takes on how you get upsold at a restaurant versus cheap wine, etc. Etc. Is your teaser and I just want to read it as we go to break. It says I listened to your account of what happened at dinner and I have to say I am siding with Justin on this one. We're going to talk about why viewers are siding with me and why you're wrong and why what you said was the wrong way forward. We're going to talk about that. We'll make that back. We'll be back in a moment.

Speaker 5:

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Katy Montgomery:

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Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin podcast.

Katy Montgomery:

So we're back and I think what we're going to do now is thank you so much for some of you who've listened to our first episode and gave us some feedback. We have a few questions and you know Justin thinks he's always right.

Justin Joseph:

I just say thank you for the feedback. Who said that I was right in the last episode? That's the feedback. I appreciate it. It's most meaningful. Yeah, I mean, of course it is but my guess is which is in my bed?

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, but whatever, okay, keep going.

Justin Joseph:

So this episode we all segment three we'd like to talk about. Can we talk about that? But before you want to get there first, you want to talk about last episode.

Katy Montgomery:

Maybe talk about the last episode and finish with the other.

Justin Joseph:

Why don't you summarize where we were last episode?

Katy Montgomery:

Last episode, we all went out to dinner. Justin became a little self-righteous in response to the waitress and some options of cheap wine that were actually not available and it made some of us really uncomfortable at the table. Justin, I think you landed on I'm not going to compromise my principle for the relationships I had at the table that really matter. And my response was you know, is this really?

Justin Joseph:

are you going to die on that hill or are you going to spend the time and energy with the people who are most important, yeah, and I think the last thing I said which I stand by is you know what, if, if standing by my principals means Katie Montgomery is a little uncomfortable, so be it. And let's go to some viewer emails which I think kind of agree with me, and of course I'm cherry picking here. Yes, Okay, let's share. I mean, I had to get through a lot to find something to support a view. But here's what I was surprised to hear you bring up your Southern roots and that Justin made you uncomfortable. Well, I appreciate your feelings. It seems a disproportionate reaction to the situation. Justin's core values are being challenged and a true friend would understand that some things are more important than a momentary soak with comfort. I think she brings my point.

Justin Joseph:

Well, I think what she's forgetting is that we literally said and it may be a he, by the way, correct she signed AF, so or he signed AF, okay.

Katy Montgomery:

So AF, what AF is probably not referencing there is. We only see each other in person at most two to three times a year, and so I think if we were taking bets in Vegas which Justin is an expert at that stuff I think people would bet on my side.

Justin Joseph:

Oh my God, here's my favorite. This is I got three of your emails that I'd like to highlight. This one's my favorite. It's easy to get carried away when telling a story, but Justin's account film were grounded in the facts. That's like taking a bullet for real. Since I am the I like to. I'm the hyperbolistic.

Katy Montgomery:

I'd like to also state that in our last episode you'd like to refer to me as a drama queen and I played into that, so that might be a little skewed reader. What's those initials?

Justin Joseph:

Those initials are an unbiased observer.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, again, would you like to?

Justin Joseph:

read any of yours or could you not get any that were supportive.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I think what's interesting is people want to really know what's going on, and I think what's interesting is people want to know Justin, and it may be ridiculous, but I do think it's pretty funny. Can you elaborate on your feelings about expensive wine? Or you don't feel like it's worth it.

Justin Joseph:

Well, look, I mean, I feel like when you just talk about wine generally, unless you're getting into four or five-barrel bottles generally, a $100 bottle of wine is going to taste the same, and maybe for a little bit.

Katy Montgomery:

You drink a lot of wine. I do, but you skew the facts. It was not a hundred dollar bottle of wine, it was the second least. It was $89. It was $69. You love to exaggerate. You love to exaggerate. People out there want to know why you were drinking piss at a nice restaurant. And I think you're still screwing around with the fact that you like to drink a lot of wine. You just passed everything.

Justin Joseph:

You know what it's? Okay, I'm sweating now. Okay, okay, all right.

Katy Montgomery:

I really think that we should get this last second, because what we are going to share, it's not just been ticking you off and me off. Yeah, I mean, the internet is over, yeah, over this, and let me just say you know me, I mean I.

Justin Joseph:

What we're about to talk about is, um, maybe you said it up, but um, I was at a baseball game last week and you know you had foul balls, and I mean aside from me, like hiding because I have a fear of life and getting hit by one. That's a children's moment a hundred percent.

Katy Montgomery:

And I think when does it come to where people just can't live in the moment, like whatever happened to, kind of like? You know what is that famous credence, credence career water revival song, you know? You know it's about like stealing home and like.

Announcer:

Americana and feeling it.

Katy Montgomery:

And it's people are so caught up in? Where's the? Where is the prize? Where is the famous, you know, like Instagram post? Why aren't we just living in the moment and letting kids having this moment of summer and enjoyment?

Justin Joseph:

And it's a great setup for this. This is a from KTLA Newscast out of Los Angeles. I think he does a nice job of summarizing it.

Speaker 6:

We'll come back and talk about it on the other side, an update on the Internet's newest villain, the woman that they call Philly's Karen Home. Run into the stands at the Philly's Marlin game on Friday, sent fans scrambling hot potato like everybody's at a barbecue, and then suddenly is that a cat. Whose cat is that I? Whose cat is that? I don't know, Just get it. So a dad scooped up the ball, took it back to his son, and then a woman races over and confronts the dad and demands the ball from the child.

Katy Montgomery:

What is wrong with this person?

Speaker 6:

Eventually the dad gives in and ends up handing over the ball. Some are defending her. One commenter said she's a sweet old woman and dad took advantage of her lack of agility. The ball landed, I guess, near her. Yeah, that happened to me once.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, so people are saying that she was closer and she should have gotten.

Justin Joseph:

Mercy, she has the worst jeans I've ever seen on and I would never be pictured for me talking to those jeans.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I didn't pay that much attention to it, but you know we talked about the wrong way forward, which clearly keep the Phillies, karen. But I do want to note that the right way forward was the father. The father was surprised by the interaction and, in order to defuse the situation, handed the bottle to her and said just go with it and, not to surprise you, I will take the exact opposite side.

Justin Joseph:

I think that's totally wrong, because the father literally threw his hand up and gave her the ball. I couldn't surprise you that. I would have punched her in her face not really but I would have stood my ground and said I'm sorry, whoever you are, this is my son's ball. You are not. I would have been much meaner than that and I have to tell you.

Katy Montgomery:

But I think seeing in front, being seen in front of a child, is saying things. This is a good, it's not that important, it was a teaching moment. It's a teaching moment. But I think what is really interesting about this and we also saw this at the us open with the ceo who grabbed, you know like for those who didn't see, explain that um.

Katy Montgomery:

So a child um, was in line along with some other people to get some swag from some players who were signing balls and signing hands, and handed something, and the adult CEO grabbed it, rather than the kid who was it was intended for, and I think what. I think the bigger thing about the wrong way forward here is that literally, why are we putting such importance on a small good like this? You know, why is this like the end-all be and you know? And the thing that's really funny is, in both of these cases, the right way forward was both of those organizations, both MLB and the USTA, responded and those children both had a better experience afterwards because they remedied the situation.

Justin Joseph:

I say vomit on that Wrong advice. I disagree. I think the fact the fathership has stood the ground kept the ball disagree. I think the fact the father should have stood to the ground kept the ball. And I think if they would have done what you're talking about and had the MLB step in and give this child a consolation prize, it teaches the child the wrong lesson. The lesson is you stand up for what is right. And his father should have stood up and said that's my son's ball, he's keeping it and you can go F--o and you all know what that means yes, and I think the bigger thing is is that we are not going to fight.

Katy Montgomery:

We are a sense of community. There are certain you know plans that we, we form together where we are not going to act out, and you know what it is a ball. There are things that are more oh, so interesting.

Justin Joseph:

I really did not expect to disagree on this, and we don't we, for those out there, we try not to talk about this before. I thought we were on the same side on this. I disagree, no, I would have given the ball back and I would have kept it because my son needs to see there are things we're fighting for, and an ugly nasty person not a woman here, but an ugly nasty person doesn't get a win just because they're ugly and nasty.

Katy Montgomery:

But a children flies in the face of my mind exactly, and for me, I think I I think it's a bigger thing. It's like, you know, decorum matters, you know it's, it's these are, these are goods, these are not things that are worth kind of dying on the vine for. And I think at that point, I think that father handles himself with such grace and at, at the end of the day, him handling himself with grace, think about if that played out further. He might not have won the benefit of most of the Internet and also the MLB, where that kid got to later get a goodie bag and meet with the player.

Justin Joseph:

Well, did that happen? Yes, oh, I didn't know. Ok, but let me just change the scenario. We've got only a few minutes left your niece through your door, mary luckett and luck and luckett your niece who you adore and luckett, you adore her. Yes, you were at a concert and her favorite artist was adele, and adele threw out a t-shirt and this happened in that scenario and you knew how much and luckett loved adele and she caught the t-shirt and some nasty person came up and demanded it. Would that have changed your calculus? Because it was your niece who you love and adore and you're not for no, I would have said you know what we don't resort to.

Katy Montgomery:

This is not a fight worth fighting for and we'll make it up and there are nasty people and let them have this, because I really hope. If Adele's concert and a t-shirt is is the prize in your life, it ain't looking good for your future all right.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, this is interesting because, again, I expect us to agree on this, but this would be the first of many times where we see the world differently, and not surprisingly exactly we'll wait for your viewer viewer emails on this one and we'll see how they uh land exactly, and so just to kind of wrap up, cause it's time to go, we want to again thank you all for being here. We would love for you If you have not yet followed, please follow. If you have enjoyed this, we'd love for you to give us a review. And, again, if you have any bad advice or anything that you've seen out there, please drop us an email at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmailcom. We'd love to hear from you.

Justin Joseph:

Love to hear from you. The next episode we're going to take on the advice of one of America's most beloved Beloved. Is it beloved or beloved?

Katy Montgomery:

I say beloved, but she's. I mean, she's not beloved by me, but she's beloved by me.

Justin Joseph:

We're going to take on advice of literally one of the country's leading advice givers. I would say Right, that way I do agree with that we're going to tell you why she was 100% wrong in her advice. Yeah, wrong way forward, we'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward.

Speaker 5:

All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery:

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