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3. Following your Gut: Bad Idea in a Sexy Outfit?

• Katy Montgomery and Justin Joseph • Season 1 • Episode 3

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3. Gut Check: Oprah’s “Trust Your Feelings,” Foul-Ball Chaos, and Tracking Your Friends 


This week on Wrong Way Forward, Katy and Justin tackle one of the most famous advice-givers of all time: Oprah Winfrey. In her 2008 Stanford commencement address, she told graduates that “feelings are your GPS for life.” Sounds good, right? Or is that advice actually the wrong way forward?

Along the way, the duo roast Oprah’s guidance, swap personal stories (including Justin’s framed Oprah autograph moment), and debate whether trusting your gut is really enough when logic and data are ignored.

Plus: listener emails pour in on last week’s foul-ball parenting debate—was it courage or crowd-pleasing?—and the hosts finish with a surprisingly heated back-and-forth on whether tracking friends on Find My Friends/Life360 is harmless fun or a total boundary fail.

Highlights

  • Oprah’s “trust your gut” commencement advice goes under the microscope.
  •  Katy introduces the Rider & Elephant model: logic vs. emotions.
  • Justin confesses how insecurity (and a bad suit) mess with his head.
  • Listener emails bring more fire to the foul-ball controversy.
  • Is “Find My Friends” a safety tool or just creepy surveillance?
  • Snark, shade, and a few below-the-belt burns (yes, someone drags Justin’s haircut).

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Announcer:

She's Katy Montgomery, he's Justin Joseph. These best friends are serving subpoenas to bad advice weekly with Wrong Way Forward. The advice column reboot. You never knew you needed Sparks fly, and so does the hilarity. Now here's Katie and Justin.

Katy Montgomery:

Hi, my name is Katy Montgomery and I'm here with my best friend, justin Joseph. And welcome to episode three of Wrong Way Forward.

Justin Joseph:

Hi everybody. So good to see everybody out there. We're so excited to be on our third episode, where we really cover some interesting topics so far, don't you think?

Katy Montgomery:

I mean definitely. I think we've covered um fly balls, bad restaurant behavior raw dogging which you had no idea about. Um, I do what raw dogging on a long flight.

Justin Joseph:

Well, I feel like we need to address this first, because after the last episode, you literally pulled me inside and were mortified that your mom's best friends are going to see this, and I think that would be more embarrassing. You didn't know what raw dogging is. You're more freaked out that I explained what raw dogging was.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, that still holds, and that's the case, and you can't change anything no-transcript.

Justin Joseph:

Is that runway is a beacon of light for gay little kids who are hiding their bedspreads reading a magazine. For me, that was over. Every day. I would come home to watch Oprah, and not just because I thought she was I mean, I thought she was a beacon of light but because she was a broadcaster and I thought that's, that's what I want to do so you, you let the cat out of the bag.

Katy Montgomery:

It is Oprah. And just to let all of our listeners know, when I knew Justin, shortly after college, he did have a framed autographed photo of Oprah on full display. So she has really been, as you said, a beacon of light for you. Yeah, she's someone who probably doesn't curry as much favor as she did, you know.

Justin Joseph:

Well, you've never been a huge Oprah fan. Why is that? I think?

Katy Montgomery:

you thought.

Justin Joseph:

I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth, but I remember from when I used to talk about it you were like not impressed.

Katy Montgomery:

No, that's actually not correct. That's factually incorrect. I've always been impressed by Oprah. How can you not be impressed?

Justin Joseph:

by Oprah. I feel like we need a butt where we can just sit and you can be like that's factually incorrect with me, Because I feel like that's a theme.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, it is because we know that you exaggerate the truth quite a bit. But you know, and I actually do have a crazy kind of story connection to Oprah. Oprah is from my home state of Mississippi and I attended kind of what we lovingly call the Nerd School, mississippi School for Math and Science, and actually I was in the third graduating class and we did write Oprah a letter asking if she would return to her home state and be our featured speaker. She passed on that and in fact I don't asking if she would return to her home state and be our featured speaker. She passed on that and in fact I don't know if she ever formally did, but she is someone who is very well regarded and I think today we're going to kind of step out on a limb and do something that some people might say is sacrilegious and say the advice that we're going to cover that she gave was the wrong way forward okay and I agree we'll get there.

Justin Joseph:

Um, I would only say, like you and I were lucky enough to have a, and we'll get beyond by obvious fascination with her.

Justin Joseph:

Yes, we were lucky enough to have a friend who was one of the producers and so, after we graduated and I still adored her and I got into broadcasting and adored her more um, we were able to contact our friend and I was like, can you get me to the show? Those tickets were impossible, yes, to have, and so she really greenlighted me to the show several times and, um, I'll remember the two episodes. I remember specifically one where I sat because I knew where she came out and she turned, she walked right out and walked right past me. I was on the aisle and I remember being devastated my heart, like that's it and then she literally turned around, looked at me from, I mean literally turned around and said you have a really cute shirt on and kept going. So that I'll never forget that moment, of course.

Justin Joseph:

And the second episode I had lied at work because I was at the prosecutor's office and they're like you know, I did. I don't know if I have any vacation time, but I think Molly, our producer friend, gave us one day, you can come on this date, and I was like, oh, I will be there. Yes, and so I was there and I, literally, I remember at the beginning they said the only way not to get on camera is if you chew gum or read her teleprompter. Yes, so I read the entire teleprompter. I chewed gum because I did not want anyone back in debt or be like why is justin there when he called and said to her there you go so so, and it's going to be interesting to see what happens when we process whether or not her advice was the wrong way forward.

Katy Montgomery:

Where you're going to land yeah, 100.

Justin Joseph:

so we're going to listen to advice. This is from 2008. It was for Stanford commencement address, again, not surprising. I think we feel a little bit differently about the advice, but let's listen to her advice and we'll take it up on the other side.

Speaker 4:

What I know now is that feelings are really your GPS system for life. When you're supposed to do something or not supposed to do something, your emotional guidance system lets you know. The trick is to learn to check your ego at the door and start checking your gut instead. Every right decision I've made, every right decision I've ever made, has come from my gut, and every wrong decision I've ever made was a result of me not listening to the greater voice of myself. If it doesn't feel right, don't do it. That's the lesson, and that lesson alone will save you, my friends, a lot of grief.

Justin Joseph:

So we'll stop there. I mean, I think on its face it sounds like good advice, but you think it's the wrong way forward.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I, you know, I coach a lot of executives and there is this concept kind of called the rider and the elephant. The idea is imagine you know the average person, let's say that they're. You know approximately 150 pounds. You know approximately 150 pounds. Imagine an elephant. That's six tons. So the rider is your logical brain. That is the one that is processing the evidence, the data. It's doing something that's logical. Your emotional brain is that elephant. It's six tons, it takes over and 150 person cannot steer a six-ton elephant. And what I find is that when we have our emotional brain take over, our emotional brain is brilliant. It can tell us crazy stories, it can argue us out of something, it can give us all of these motivations that everyone around us, that we think they have, when actually we don't know that as a fact.

Justin Joseph:

So let me dumb that down. So you're saying your emotional brain can tell you you look good in that outfit, which you don't, because you're like excited that you just bought it.

Katy Montgomery:

Or I think the better example is. I think the better example would be is that you say I can't speak up in this meeting because your emotional brain is saying I'm going to say something stupid. I'm not as educated as everyone in the room. I don't have a senior position, you know. I'm not, you know I'm not someone who normally, you know, speaks as an expert in this space. So therefore I'm not going to speak.

Justin Joseph:

Yes, Go ahead Sorry.

Katy Montgomery:

Just telling yourself stories and the emotional brain does that. It's not logical.

Justin Joseph:

For me that shows up in my age. I walk into a place and I think I'm too old, Like I had a job last year where I had to wear a suit and I just don't think I've ever felt older than when I put a suit on. I just do not think it's attractive. But you're saying that's all emotional brain.

Katy Montgomery:

That's emotional brain, and I think what Oprah is saying is like. And if we listen to a further clip which I think is really important is she said your emotion should be your GPS system. It should be what guides you. And I'm not saying take emotions or gut out of the system, but you have to not forget about logic. You can't forget about the data and the pieces that you're taking in. Forget about logic. You can't forget about the data and the pieces that you're taking in. And if we allow ourselves to only move on emotion, we might be steering down the wrong path. And I think it's very easy for Oprah to say that when she's at Stanford, a very, you know prestigious university, giving a graduation speech, when she's been on the Forbes you know 50, when she's considered the number one queen of all talk media, it's very easy, 2020 vision, to say follow your gut.

Justin Joseph:

And she's Oprah also, right to your point.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, she's.

Justin Joseph:

Oprah. When you're Oprah, you can say anything Correct. Okay, so let's listen. You said there's a couple of things we wanted to highlight. Let's listen to Oprah's continued speech and we'll catch up on the other end and start checking your gut instead.

Speaker 5:

Everyone knows so what I know now is that feelings are really your GPS system for life. When you're supposed to do something or not supposed to do something, your emotional guidance system lets you know. The trick is to learn to check your ego at the door and start checking your gut.

Justin Joseph:

instead, you say what to that?

Katy Montgomery:

I say that your emotional GPS is really, you know, could take you down the wrong path. Emotions can take us into a path of you know. We can go back and visit periods of trauma. We can be nervous, we can be anxious, and that can take over that logical brain that is able to take in the real data, the real story as it's evolving, rather than the story we tell ourselves.

Justin Joseph:

Love that, and so I think there's some real takeaways. Whether you're a student, whether you're a high-level or C-level manager, a high-level executive, a high level executive, I think there's some real takeaways. We're going to talk about those. On the other side of the break Plus, we're going to talk about some viewer emails from our episode last week, and we'll evaluate all that and take another look when we get back right up to this.

Katy Montgomery:

You've been listening to Wrong Way Forward, where bad advice goes to die and then gets resurrected, just so we can roast it again.

Speaker 6:

That's right, katie. Nobody's off limits not the gurus, not the influencers, and definitely not Oprah.

Katy Montgomery:

Sorry, Oprah.

Speaker 6:

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Katy Montgomery:

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Speaker 6:

Now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin podcast.

Justin Joseph:

So welcome back to Wrong Way Forward. This week we're talking about one of America's most beloved advice givers, oprah Winfrey, and we took on her 2008 commencement speech, where she talks about following your gut and how that could be your greatest guide moving forward. You say that's not the right advice. It's the wrong advice. You say that because why?

Katy Montgomery:

Well, it's the wrong way forward and I think, if you think about what she actually said, is that your emotion should be your GPS. So imagine that you were a driver in a car using a GPS system and you're blindly following what the GPS is saying. You've also got to take in the data. Has there been a car accident? You know. Is there a, you know, crazy driver?

Katy Montgomery:

you know, and you need to kind of focus defensive driving, you know so we just kind of are you know, or is there you know a horrible driver and you need to kind of respond to that, you know? Is there construction in the road that maybe that gps hasn't taken care of? Emotions are important, gut is important, but people need to be very aware when making decisions is to not let that cloud and totally be blind to what are the facts and the data that they're taking in and I love this because you know kat facts and the data that they're taking in.

Justin Joseph:

And I love this because you know Katie and I were talking while we were off during the break and she said you know, is this exciting enough of an episode? But the truth is not all. Life is fun and, you know, laugh out loud. Sometimes there are real takeaways and that's one of the things we want to pass across in our broadcasts is sometimes there's some real takeaways from our advice.

Katy Montgomery:

And we are. So I don't think we even realize on a day-to-day basis how much we are already influenced by our emotions, the way you see something, the way you interpret something, your gut reaction to something that's been influenced by a former negative reaction that might not be fair in the current you know kind of climate, and so that's why you can't be, as Oprah said, totally focused on the emotion. There has to be the logical piece.

Justin Joseph:

And you see the showing up again and again in coaching sessions.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, I mean millions of times, and you know the examples are plentiful where people tell themselves stories and it's based on the emotion they might be feeling, the emotion of anxiety or inferiority, or nervousness. And that translates to I'm not smart enough to speak up, I'm not senior enough to speak up, I'm too old. In my case, I'm too old, yes, where again the logical piece should be I've done the homework, or I've been assigned this project, or I have something valid to say, and so we need to be careful to not 100% sit in that emotional space.

Justin Joseph:

I love that. I think that's great advice. I think it's you know, and it's hard to take on a thought leader like Oprah, but sometimes not everybody's right.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, and sometimes even the most famous of advice givers can go the wrong way forward.

Justin Joseph:

Exactly All right. So now it's time to revisit our last week's episode and talk about some of our viewer emails on why either you were right or maybe they thought I was right, right. Let's start with. Our most popular topic last week, from looking at our data, was the discussion over the woman who came in to take the child's. So there was a home run ball, a father caught up for her son and you see this woman run in with bad genes and she couldn't see what she was saying to that because her back backwards to the camera but he ends up giving her the ball. I thought that was the wrong way. He thought it was the right way.

Speaker 5:

Correct, correct.

Justin Joseph:

And I think some of our viewers agreed with me more than they agreed with you. And so let's talk about some of our viewer emails that came through Hi. Let's talk about some of our viewer emails that came through Hi team. I just listened to Katie. I love you. Your logic this week had more holes than my kid's soccer net. Justin, keep a smug tone. You earned it. I'm not sure I love that, but it's an email that thought I was on the right side. You.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I mean, I think what's really interesting, as I heard it said, is Justin's commitment to standing on his principles unwavering, or does it only apply to fights he knows he could win, like against a restaurant's wine list or a woman with bad genes?

Justin Joseph:

Oh, someone actually wrote about bad genes. I mean, I know that was a little bit out of common sense, but she really didn't have bad genes. On what else do we have? Katie? Denial isn't a valid debate strategy. Justin was right. The people have spoken. Take the L with grace and a bottle of cheap wine. Ouch, that's like cutting home.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I mean, I'm really hesitant to read the next one because I think it's just pure nasty, but because you're throwing, you know, some curve balls, Justin, since you think that the dad should have stood his ground against the Philly's Karen and punched her in the face, would you have done the same If the woman who called you oh sorry, I can't, I can't read it anymore. Oh sorry, I can't, I can't read it anymore. Oh, excuse me, I don't really want to say this one, but since you are throwing a lot of curve balls and hitting a little bit below the bell, Justin, since you think the dad should have stood his ground against the Philly's care and punched her in the face, would you have done the same with the woman who called you right and demanded your framed quote back? Do you remember when you said that you would have a framed quote up in your next?

Justin Joseph:

So now we're going to turn to the segment where we take on last week's spirit emails from our discussion last weekend One of the hottest topics and looking at our data from last week, where people have really strong positions on the woman who ran over. When the father caught the foul ball at the baseball game and gave it to his child, the woman ran over and let him have it and he gave her the ball, and I thought that was totally unacceptable. You had a different take.

Katy Montgomery:

I did. I mean, I thought that you know, for the sake of you know, keeping the peace and you know, and giving a teaching moment to the son, and you know, and it's really interesting because you know I've also worked for people and you know, and it's really interesting because you know I've also worked for people and you know, and it's it's really interesting. And it said, given Justin's principal stance on cheap wine and fighting for a baseball, why isn't he taking on big beer or big soda for the sake of his relationship?

Justin Joseph:

That doesn't make any sense. I have a few that support my position, katie, you seriously let someone snatch on adult snatch an adult t-shirt from your niece and you shrug it. Oh interesting, she's coming for you. Justin's right. Your kids need to learn that boys don't get trophies for being loud.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, but we also need to learn, in this day and age, where people are incredibly volatile and people have crazy reactions, that you don't match crazy with crazy. You diffuse a situation and you move on. It's a ball.

Justin Joseph:

This is my favorite, justin. I nearly spit out my drink when you roasted her jeans, but seriously, you're right. Parenting is about teaching courage, not crowd pleasing. Katie, grace is great at church potlucks, not when Karen and mom just display. Blow your kid out of his mouth. Thank you, shannon from Chicago. That is literally. That summarizes my entire point.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I'm just going to go below the belt here and it's not a very kind thing. But John from Seattle says Justin, since you believe it's important to stay on your ground and fight for what's yours, have you confronted the person who gave you the haircut? You're still Rocky.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, so that? Yeah, that was so. That is a. What do you call it A diss? That's a diss, but it's like it's an equal for me commenting on her jeans. It's an ad, hominid, yes, yeah.

Katy Montgomery:

Yes, meet, yes, meet, like and like. And is that? What we want in this country Is just nastiness begetting nastiness?

Justin Joseph:

So in our next segment we're going to come back and have we talked about this? We're going to talk about Find your Friends. For those of you who know what it is, it's literally an app where you can get it and you can track your best friends or your spouse. Katie thinks it's the worst invasion of privacy this year and I think it's a fun friend tool and way to make sure your spouse isn't cheating.

Katy Montgomery:

Okay, well, we'll come back and we'll cover it. Then, to roast your favorite piece of nonsense, email us at wrongwayforwardpodcast at gmailcom. Be sure to include your contact info. We're not psychic, just judgmental. And now back to Wrong Way Forward.

Announcer:

Roasting the worst advice ever. Welcome back to the Katie and Justin podcast.

Katy Montgomery:

And we're back. Thank you so much for listeners, for staying with us, and we are going to talk about following your friends, meaning the app on Apple which is find your friends, or some people have something called Life 360. And I want to state for the record I think it is completely fine from a safety and parental concern to follow your children in order to kind of keep tabs on them. The question here that we're talking about is should you be following the moves and the steps and the locations of your friends?

Justin Joseph:

Yeah, so this is our favorite segment, because we get this like can we talk about this? This has really nothing to do with good advice or bad advice, it's just something that can be divisive, and apparently this is you really have strong feelings about.

Katy Montgomery:

I did. When you told me that you had a handful of friends that you followed, I thought first of all, this is a lack of boundaries. This has issues of privacy. I think that it leads to social drama and manipulation. I think that there can be a lot of assumptions made just about where someone is and when they're there. Of course, that's the fun of it.

Justin Joseph:

Whatever happened to having fun with these kinds of things?

Katy Montgomery:

Because I think that fun can delve into not fun, and I think it is odd. I think it's very strange for people at 40 plus to be following each other.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, so let me first give some background here. Like you're right, I have a number of friends that we follow, some that I haven't that I wouldn't call close friends, but they just have been, for one reason or another, somebody that we followed, maybe because we had to bed together or had a weekend together and it's like here's where I am and we never got off of that. But some of my friends because they're super close and it's fun to know what they're doing and where they are and they know what I'm doing and where I am.

Katy Montgomery:

But I've been here and you've made some assumptions. When you've looked at that kind of location information and you start to kind of question and you start to create kind of ulterior motives, I don't think that's very healthy.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, so I mean to be not specific. Yes, I mean you have been privy to when we saw someone that was somewhere and we didn't know what that person was doing in that area. Yeah, but again, that's what friends do.

Katy Montgomery:

But I want to go back to, kind of the example you gave is that you were following some people that weren't your closest, tightest friends, and then you said it just happened that we didn't stop following each other. Wouldn't it make sense, wouldn't the right way, rather than the wrong way forward, be to like let's revisit this? And then I think, if we are following each other for a specific purpose we're in Spain, we're camping, we're in Spain, we're camping, we're taking a weekend vacation Wouldn't it be smart, as adults, to reevaluate? Thank you, we had it for a purpose. Our contract among us was for this particular event or vacation. Now we're going to cease following each other.

Justin Joseph:

Well, what I don't do often, but I will do here, is I will prove your point for you. There was a time many many ago, uh, where I was following a friend and it became unhealthy because I didn't feel like that friendhood was treated being the way I should be treated, and my following that person, um, became more of um, why was I not invited to this particular thing or something?

Katy Montgomery:

so it was unhealthy yes, and what's, what is the must? I think there could be a fine line between following and checking in and stalking.

Justin Joseph:

Okay, stalking is a big word for any friend group. It was not anything that had to do with that. And you know, and the nice thing about these apps is you always have the option of saying you don't get to follow me or I don't want you to follow me anymore.

Katy Montgomery:

Yeah, you always have the option of saying you don't get to follow me or I don't want you to follow me anymore. Yeah, but you could have a friend like me who's a technological idiot and doesn't even realize it's happening, or has gone for a fun weekend. The objective was having a good time. I'm stepping away from the weekend and going right into my work week. I forget that it was even off.

Justin Joseph:

And what's it for me and you, who are very close? What would be the harm of that? If you forgot it was on and I knew you were at place X or place Y or place Z? Why would that threaten you?

Katy Montgomery:

I don't think the right word is threatened. I think my first question would be why do you care? Get a life. And then I think the second piece would be you know this is an inappropriate relationship. This is not what we're here to do. This is not friendship to follow someone, particularly when you live in Denver and I live in DC. If there were to be an issue, the SOS process would not be very quick and speed.

Justin Joseph:

OK, so here's the proster me. So I'm going to do specific, generalization, specific, so you don't have a problem with me following my spouse. If you and your spouse agreed to that, I would have. All of my friends have agreed to this. I'm not following anything without their knowledge, so that that argument fails. Do you have a problem with me following my spouse?

Katy Montgomery:

yes, or not, not if there has been an agreement. But I think that you indicated earlier that you have followed people in the past and that it was for a specific purpose and that it just never yeah, but they always have to agree.

Justin Joseph:

They have to share the location, so it's always an agreement. I can't just randomly follow someone because I know where they're at.

Katy Montgomery:

I think it's strange.

Justin Joseph:

OK, but just answer my question. Do you think it's a problem for a spouse to follow a spouse?

Katy Montgomery:

No, if there's an agreement. Tell me, why that's OK her spouse to follow a spouse? No, if there's an agreement, because tell me why that's okay? Because I think generally spouses have a contract among between the two of them to keep people abreast of where they are and what they're doing and for safety concerns but it has to do with how close they're the relationship I mean, I would agree.

Justin Joseph:

So I mean so, but my neck. So if you agreed out, then would it be okay for a brother to follow a sister or a sister to follow a brother?

Katy Montgomery:

I think there are some families that do that. I think we're talking about friends.

Justin Joseph:

So I know, but that was about degrees of relationship, Because spouses involve spouses and if that's okay, then maybe brother siblings can follow siblings. Less of a relationship is still important, the less. The next step down is best friends. What's the difference?

Katy Montgomery:

Well, I think generally, here's the issue of two consenting adults agree. I don't have a problem with it, but I have. The problem is this is what are grown adults doing, following each other, and I have to tell you my experience and I was shocked that this behavior existed. It was not for safety or concern, it was literally for drama and discussion and to be able to shoot the breeze.

Justin Joseph:

I think that that is an incorrect assumption.

Katy Montgomery:

It's not an assumption. It's based on what I observed.

Justin Joseph:

Well, it's one situation, but I think we still have to go back to the fact that you're okay with spouses following spouses. You may be okay with siblings following siblings. The next step down is you shouldn't be okay with best friends following best friends. There's nothing.

Katy Montgomery:

Again, I don't have a problem if it's consensual. I just think it's strange. I think it's very strange and I think generally I think that we have gotten to a point in this, in the world, where people don't have kind of an independence. There's a constant kind of overwatch, and I think we do need to be careful about privacy, because once it starts to erode and people, it's very interesting. I mean, this is the lawyer in me speaking, but people are always like, oh, I don't care if somebody watches that or observes me or does that, because they're like I'm not doing anything wrong. But then if the line moves as to what is wrong and what is not as right, I just find this to be a general kind of awkward and odd kind of intention of doing this, particularly at this age.

Justin Joseph:

And I think your logic fails because you are okay with spouses doing it and maybe siblings, then all that logic has to apply.

Katy Montgomery:

Well, well, I would never follow my spouse and I would hope my spouse wouldn't follow me, but I'm okay with anyone who are too consenting adults I've always been consenting.

Justin Joseph:

I'm not we do this, but I'm saying it's just weird and strange and also, I think, what's that?

Katy Montgomery:

what particularly you know spouses? It's like, what's the trust and what is this? I think there's a bigger issue at play if you're constantly following your spouse.

Justin Joseph:

Okay. Well, we want to hear what you think. I mean. Obviously, this is another example of something Katie and I are not going to agree upon, but we want to hear what you think, so email us at wrongwayforwardpodcasts at gmailcom. Next week, we're tackling more of this week's best and worst advice. We're going to tell you more about why we think some of your favorite thought thinkers have it wrong, and we'll see you next week on Wrong Way Forward.

Katy Montgomery:

It's great. See you then.

Speaker 6:

All right, that's a wrap on this week's episode of Wrong Way Forward. Remember, the only thing worse than taking bad advice is giving it.

Katy Montgomery:

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Speaker 6:

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